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Posted on 5/8/11 at 12:57 pm to Alahunter
Posted on 5/8/11 at 12:57 pm to Alahunter
I know and understand that. I'm trying to convey the point that if you go through that process, then there is a paper trail on your purchase. I can spell out all the detail, but there really is no point.
I'm an avid firearms enthusiast and collector. And yeah I've been labeled as a "gun nut, "survivalist"', "radical"' etc. But the truth is that I just really don't trust our govt not to use incrementalist tactics to eventually use those records to come to my house to collect or say that I own "too many" or whatever.
Call me paranoid, but paranoia is only reality on a finer scale. So I make it a point to buy the bulk of my weaponry without going through all the paperwork motions.
I mean, technically you guys are right in the sense that there is no "registration" process set up by the federal govt. But the system is still in place to where they can use that information however they see fit and potentially flag you as a problem. David koresch could probably explain it better than I can.
Also, I've had a lot of coffee this morning.
I'm an avid firearms enthusiast and collector. And yeah I've been labeled as a "gun nut, "survivalist"', "radical"' etc. But the truth is that I just really don't trust our govt not to use incrementalist tactics to eventually use those records to come to my house to collect or say that I own "too many" or whatever.
Call me paranoid, but paranoia is only reality on a finer scale. So I make it a point to buy the bulk of my weaponry without going through all the paperwork motions.
I mean, technically you guys are right in the sense that there is no "registration" process set up by the federal govt. But the system is still in place to where they can use that information however they see fit and potentially flag you as a problem. David koresch could probably explain it better than I can.
Also, I've had a lot of coffee this morning.
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Posted on 5/8/11 at 1:08 pm to UtahHawg
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You guys are seriously naive. If you don't think that paperwork=registration, you're lying to yourselves. And it would potentially implicate dyer in several ways, but I don't think it's necessary to spell out the obvious. But I suppose they could just say that they sold them the gun, which would still be a crime since they were minors iirc.
And you are seriously missing a some brain cells.
Everything you posted is based on a BILL OF SALES. And wouldn't even be circumstantial evidence at best. Especially since Michael Dyers name wouldn't even be on the fricking receipt.
Posted on 5/8/11 at 2:22 pm to UtahHawg
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Be that as it may. The only thing I'm debating is the whole registration thing.
And again, if you bought a firearms via NICS, then consider your gun "registered". It shouldn't be that way, but it is.
The fact of the matter is, without proof that ANYONE knows who that gun belonged to, newpaper article, police report, etc, the entire thread is a waste of time and somehow yall have almost took this damn thing 10 pages.
Posted on 5/8/11 at 2:41 pm to joeyb147
Cool, man. Keep your head in the sand.
Not saying it will happen, but it's possible that when the known owner of the gun is confronted by law enforcement, she could throw dyer under the bus and he could potentially be charged with furnishing a handgun to a minor.
Of course, that's just assuming that there is substance to the story to begin with.
Not saying it will happen, but it's possible that when the known owner of the gun is confronted by law enforcement, she could throw dyer under the bus and he could potentially be charged with furnishing a handgun to a minor.
Of course, that's just assuming that there is substance to the story to begin with.
Posted on 5/8/11 at 2:42 pm to UtahHawg
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it's possible that when the known owner of the gun is confronted by law enforcement, she could throw dyer under the bus and he could potentially be charged with furnishing a handgun to a minor.
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that's just assuming that there is substance to the story to begin with.
Posted on 5/8/11 at 2:44 pm to blzr
Posted on 5/8/11 at 3:04 pm to UtahHawg
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Cool, man. Keep your head in the sand.
Cool, man. Learn how the law works, mmmkay?
Even in your bullshite scenario, it would be his word vs. hers, with absolutely no proof to back up the true story. Guess whose name is on the bill of sales Einstein?
I know the Newton saga gave you a woody, but in real court, accusations =/= proof.
This post was edited on 5/8/11 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 5/8/11 at 3:24 pm to UtahHawg
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UtahHawg
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Not saying it will happen, but it's possible that when the known owner of the gun is confronted by law enforcement, she could throw dyer under the bus and he could potentially be charged with furnishing a handgun to a minor.
Are you really that stupid or did you just get caught up in the argument?
Even if Dyer's gf bought the gun there is no evidence that Dyer is or ever was involved or even knew that she owned a gun.
If you cant prove that someone did something then you can't do shite about it. That is the great thing about America!
Posted on 5/8/11 at 3:26 pm to joeyb147
Haha, I know how the law works, and I'd be glad to show you a thing or two. And don't get all bitter on me because there is some scandal going on with your team. I don't really care.
In fact, I'm not even trying to debate anyone's innocence or involvement. I'm just saying that testimonies can carry a lot of weight in a court room, especially coming from a credible witness.
He'll, I'm not even saying that it's justified or that the books are written that way. I'm just telling it like it is. There is too much gray area in the justice system.
And for the record, I honestly hope that nothing becomes of this. Just laying out some possibilities. Nothing more.
In fact, I'm not even trying to debate anyone's innocence or involvement. I'm just saying that testimonies can carry a lot of weight in a court room, especially coming from a credible witness.
He'll, I'm not even saying that it's justified or that the books are written that way. I'm just telling it like it is. There is too much gray area in the justice system.
And for the record, I honestly hope that nothing becomes of this. Just laying out some possibilities. Nothing more.
Posted on 5/8/11 at 3:31 pm to UtahHawg
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Just laying out some possibilities
Lay out a possibility that actually contains a portion of facts, instead of here-say, and you won't look like such a fool.
GF: "Michael gave them my gun"
MD: "No, I didn't"
Case closed. MD goes to jail.
That's how the law works, right expert?
Or do I have my head in the sand again?
This post was edited on 5/8/11 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 5/8/11 at 3:33 pm to joeyb147
You obviously don't have a clue how the interrogation process works.
Posted on 5/8/11 at 3:35 pm to joeyb147
And again, you don't have to get all defensive. I never said anything like "oh noes dyer is fricked!". It was simply speculating on possible scenarios. Sorry you're having a hard time with reading comprehension.
This post was edited on 5/8/11 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 5/8/11 at 4:28 pm to UtahHawg
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And again, you don't have to get all defensive. I never said anything like "oh noes dyer is fricked!". It was simply speculating on possible scenarios. Sorry you're having a hard time with reading comprehension.
Whatever you say, champ.
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But I suppose they could just say that they sold them the gun, which would still be a crime since they were minors iirc.
Yeah, it's not like you already confirmed he was guilty and starting making shite up out of the blue or anything.
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You obviously don't have a clue how the interrogation process works.
I know exactly how the interrogation process works. And I know exactly how the legal process works. We aren't talking about murder here. It's a firearm used in a robbery. You actually have to have hard evidence to prove that Dyer, in the first place, knew about any such pre-planned crime. Prove that Dyer was the one to actually give them the gun. Instead, you are basing your guilty assumption on what an unknown poster has said on TigerDroppings. The only thing connecting Dyer to this farce, is that he was dating an girl, that no one knows a damn thing about.
So if a relative of mine, goes out and buys a gun. And that said gun was used to hold up a 7-11 by someone else, then I am automatically implicated in said crime? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
I guess not.
This post was edited on 5/8/11 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 5/8/11 at 4:33 pm to beatbammer
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beatbammer
Auburn 4 trailer robbery update...
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So who owned the get a way car????
TROOPER, of course.
(You are one serious, dumb, piece of shite. )
Thats the first I have heard that trooper owned the car.
If I was one dumb piece of shite I would be a member of the ITAT board, which I'm not.
Enjoy your ride skooter!!!!!!
Posted on 5/8/11 at 4:52 pm to Tactical Insertion
I was actually in T-town for the A-day game and met one of the guys that lived in the house that was robbed. He said they were after a safe in the house..I didn't ever hear him say what was in the safe.
Posted on 5/8/11 at 5:15 pm to joeyb147
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basing your guilty assumption
Dude. I never made the assumption that he was guilty. In a nutshell, you basically implied that nothing would ever come of it. All I did was say that YOUR assumption was naive and that there's no telling what could happen.
But I don't fault you. You're obviously a college kid that likes to dream up arguments for the sake of sounding like you actually know something when it is apparent that you don't know shite.
Just sayin'.
Posted on 5/8/11 at 5:40 pm to UtahHawg
FWIW, what you have said so far is spot on. Which you know that I'm just saying some folks need to pay attention.
Posted on 5/8/11 at 5:43 pm to Titus Pullo
Finally, someone that knows how to read and understands that I'm not out to get anyone or make anyone seem guilty or anything.
Posted on 5/8/11 at 5:44 pm to Titus Pullo
My bad. Double post!
This post was edited on 5/8/11 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 5/8/11 at 6:38 pm to UtahHawg
Your point about a handgun not being technical registered but having a paper trail is spot on, unless its bought from an individual at which point the seller is an idiot if he doesn't document the sale. Gun shops keep record of who bought which gun, at least in Alabama.
Also the point about leveraging one person against another is on the money. You can bet your arse Dyer's girlfriend would sing like a bird if she thought charges against her were going to be filed because a gun tied to her was used in a robbery. Like you I'm not saying that's the case just that that's the way cops build a case. Unless someone lawyers up before saying anything odds are the cops will get them to talk.
Also the point about leveraging one person against another is on the money. You can bet your arse Dyer's girlfriend would sing like a bird if she thought charges against her were going to be filed because a gun tied to her was used in a robbery. Like you I'm not saying that's the case just that that's the way cops build a case. Unless someone lawyers up before saying anything odds are the cops will get them to talk.
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