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re: Auburn 2010 vs. Bama 2012
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:35 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:35 pm to ReauxlTide222
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This might be a good thread by itself. Idk if I agree. In your situation you have to exclude Auburn.
Alabama lost 2 other games not counting the one to Auburn. Plus A&M was a huge addition. Ole Miss and Miss St were uhm...full of spunk last year...?
How were they in 2010?
2010 SEC West
Auburn won the national title
Arkansas went to the Sugar Bowl (and should have won IMO)
LSU lost two games but had a great defense.
Alabama lost three games but had more talent than anyone else IMO.
MSU lost to the above teams, but had their best team in the Mullen era (stomped Michigan by like 40 points in the bowl game)
Ole Miss sucked arse on defense but Masoli led a pretty potent offense.
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Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:37 pm to Ross
quote:Now compare that to the 2012 SEC West, and that's one of the reasons I think Auburn would win. They just beat better teams.
2010 SEC West
Auburn won the national title
Arkansas went to the Sugar Bowl (and should have won IMO)
LSU lost two games but had a great defense.
Alabama lost three games but had more talent than anyone else IMO.
MSU lost to the above teams, but had their best team in the Mullen era (stomped Michigan by like 40 points in the bowl game)
Ole Miss sucked arse on defense but Masoli led a pretty potent offense.
This post was edited on 7/25/13 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:38 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Yeah, let's just forget about guys like Josh Bynes, Zach Clayton (drafted), Lee Ziemba (drafted), Mike Berry, Byron Isom, Brandon Moseley (drafted), Ryan Pugh, Mike Dyer (All-SEC), Corey Lemonier (drafted), Onterio McCalebb (great athlete), Darvin Adams, Emory Blake, Phillip Lutzenkirchen, and so forth... Cam Newton was a driving force, but there was much more to that 2010 team than just him.
That team was and always will be identified by a single player: Cam Newton. He was that team. Nick Fairley also deserves credit but that crystal football should be in Cam Newton's house because it really is his and his alone.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:40 pm to Ross
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Arkansas went to the Sugar Bowl (and should have won IMO)
Oh yeah
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MSU lost to the above teams, but had their best team in the Mullen era
Oh yeah
You win
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:41 pm to TTsTowel
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Yeah, let's just forget about guys like Josh Bynes, Zach Clayton (drafted), Lee Ziemba (drafted), Mike Berry, Byron Isom, Brandon Moseley (drafted), Ryan Pugh, Mike Dyer (All-SEC), Corey Lemonier (drafted), Onterio McCalebb (great athlete), Darvin Adams, Emory Blake, Phillip Lutzenkirchen, and so forth... Cam Newton was a driving force, but there was much more to that 2010 team than just him.
All interchangeable. Take one of those players off that team and the record doesn't change. Take Cam Newton off that team and they are 7-5.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:41 pm to WhiskeyBent
I fricking hate all of you frickers 
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:43 pm to RollTide1987
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All interchangeable. Take one of those players off that team and the record doesn't change. Take Cam Newton off that team and they are 7-5.
We lose Josh Bynes and replace him with Jake Holland and you don't think we might drop a game against, say, Arkansas? Bynes really came through in the clutch in the fourth quarter of that game and was a great MLB for us all season and a big reason our rush defense was good.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:44 pm to RollTide1987
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All interchangeable. Take one of those players off that team and the record doesn't change. Take Cam Newton off that team and they are 7-5.
Tired argument.
How does Bama do without your Lord Saban at the helm the last few years?
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:45 pm to Ross
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We lose Josh Bynes and replace him with Jake Holland and you don't think we might drop a game against, say, Arkansas?
Probably not. The defense blew that game open anyways. 21 unanswered points off an interception and two fumbles, all three of them returned for touchdowns.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:45 pm to RollTide1987
quote:ORLY? Do you think so?
All interchangeable
quote:Take Mike Dyer off the team and we have Mario "Fumbling" Fannin at running back. That's easily a win gone somewhere. Outside of Mike Dyer, Mario Fannin, and Onterio McCalebb, we had nobody. Our running back depth was extremely thin. That's why relied so much on just a few people running the ball.
Take one of those players off that team and the record doesn't change
quote:8-9 win team.
Take Cam Newton off that team and they are 7-5
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:46 pm to WhiskeyBent
I'd go with 2012 Bama.
2012 Bama > 2010 Bama
2012 Bama > 2010 Bama
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:46 pm to Ross
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2010 SEC West Auburn won the national title Arkansas went to the Sugar Bowl (and should have won IMO) LSU lost two games but had a great defense. Alabama lost three games but had more talent than anyone else IMO. MSU lost to the above teams, but had their best team in the Mullen era (stomped Michigan by like 40 points in the bowl game) Ole Miss sucked arse on defense but Masoli led a pretty potent offense.
Still not a big enough difference for me to think that 2010 Bama was better than 2012 Bama.
I think that 2012 TAMU not only beats 2010 Bama, but beats them bad.
I think that Bama would have beat 2010 SC, and LSU. 2010 AU vs 2012 Bama? I dunno. I will say Bama, just because AJ is much better than GMAC.
This post is more directed towards TnM83.
This post was edited on 7/25/13 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:46 pm to weagle99
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How does Bama do without your Lord Saban at the helm the last few years?
Not as good as we have been now. But that can be said for the majority of national championship-winning coaches who have walked the sideline since the 1920s.
How many teams can say their national championship was won on the back of a single player? Not many.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:47 pm to RollTide1987
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Probably not. The defense blew that game open anyways. 21 unanswered points off an interception and two fumbles, all three of them returned for touchdowns.
Bynes' two INTs really put that game away. You put Jake Holland in there and Arkansas might have just marched down the field yet again.
What about Antoine Carter, who was great all year off the edge? That forced fumble against Alabama seemed pretty important to me.
This post was edited on 7/25/13 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:48 pm to Ross
quote:Come on, Ross.
You put Jake Holland in there and Arkansas might have just marched down the field yet again.
We know the answer to this!
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:49 pm to RollTide1987
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How many teams can say their national championship was won on the back of a single player? Not many.
And neither can Auburn.
Fairley was just as important as Cam in many ways. Kodi Burns was the glue behind the scenes for keeping the team together. And others whom you won't recognize.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:50 pm to RollTide1987
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How many teams can say their national championship was won on the back of a single player? Not many.
Can any?
I dare say O-Mac's speed on sweep plays and Dyer's ability up the middle sure helped in the rushing game. I'd also say that our WR corps played outstanding all year long and they deserve a little bit of credit.
Or how about the offensive line? Or did you forget how people were calling that unit the best offensive line in the nation with four seniors that started all four years of their career for us.
Don't be absurd and think that if you stuck Cam Newton on Vanderbilt's 2010 team that they would have won the national title. He had a great group of support players that all played their part. With as many close games as we had that year, I wouldn't want to lose any of them.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:51 pm to Ross
I agree that Cam wasn't the only important piece to that team. Best run D in the SEC, 4th quarter defense was shutdown, the WRs were servicable, and Micheal Dyer was solid all year long, especially in the second half of games. Also, your kicker was solid all year long too.
This post was edited on 7/25/13 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:52 pm to TTsTowel
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That's easily a win gone somewhere
That's a slippery slope. One player and seasons over in terms of a NC?
Posted on 7/25/13 at 9:52 pm to RollTide1987
I forgot that Cam put on a dread wig, changed his jersey, and then did this:
This post was edited on 7/25/13 at 9:54 pm
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