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re: Athlon ranks all the 2017 CFB QB's, 1-130

Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:10 pm to
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:10 pm to
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Solid false equivalency there...


Says the guy claiming that remembering a user name means someone is clearly irritated.

Yet again, nice argument.

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:23 pm to
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Yea, it seems pretty clear to me. Etling played with 2 great 1st round pick RBs, good WRs and a good O-line. And had 3 years of college experience.

Eason was a true freshman behind a miserable o-line with no playmakers at wide receiver.

Etling is pretty close to his peak, Eason hasn't scratched the surface. You can disagree with their decision but the rationale for it makes pretty good sense.



Not really

Once again, here are the numbers:

Eason in starts

54.7%-----191yds/game------1.25tds/g-----0.666int/g----120.2 rating


Etling in starts


60.39%------202.3yds/game------1td/g------0.4int/g----135.6 rating


So lets say Etling improves slightly, as he should being a senior and having a second year starting.

So 63%-----220yds/game----------1.5tds/game-------0.5ints/game-------140 rating


That is realistic improvement


For Eason to be 40 spots higher, you are telling me it is realistic to expect his numbers to be this:


65%--------275yds/game---------2.5tds/game----.5int/game-------150 rating




That would be quite the freaking leap from how he performed last year.
Posted by JamalSanders
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:26 pm to
Would you not agree that Eason has more raw talent than Etling? Would you also not agree that players make the biggest jump between their freshman and sophomore years?
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:26 pm to
I'd easily rather have Eason than Etling in 2017.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:28 pm to
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I'd easily rather have Eason than Etling in 2017.


I'm not sure how this is being argued, even as a LSU fan. Eason is going to be better than Etling.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:30 pm to
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Would you not agree that Eason has more raw talent than Etling?
Yes
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Would you also not agree that players make the biggest jump between their freshman and sophomore years?

Yes. But Etling is almost the equivalent of a freshman for LSU. Last year was his first year ever starting here. Yes, he had Purdue experience, but he hadn't started a game in almost 3 years.

So equating his progression to the normal Junior-Senior progression is not really applicable.


I have no issuse with Eason being a few spots ahead of Etling, but based on actual production 40 spots isnt logical.

This ranking is more based on what we perceive Eason to be based on recruiting rankings, and what we perceive Etling to be based on LSU qbs in recent past. That is my point
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 1:31 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:31 pm to
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I'm not sure how this is being argued, even as a LSU fan. Eason is going to be better than Etling.
Well, I never argued it.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:31 pm to
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I have no issuse with Eason being a few spots ahead of Etling, but based on actual production 40 spots isnt logical.

Production isn't everything.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:32 pm to
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and what we perceive Etling to be based on LSU qbs in recent past

I'll disagree.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:33 pm to
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For Eason to be 40 spots higher, you are telling me it is realistic to expect his numbers to be this: 65%--------275yds/game---------2.5tds/game----.5int/game-------150 rating


I wouldn't be surprised to see Eason throw for 25 TD / 7 INT this season and a bunch of yards. He was a true freshman starting at QB with limited options around him with defenders in his face the entire season.

That's literally the worst scenario for a QB I can think of.

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95341 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:34 pm to
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That's literally the worst scenario for a QB I can think of.

Trying to come out of a Les Miles offensive system is worse for a QB
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:35 pm to
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Says the guy claiming that remembering a user name means someone is clearly irritated.

Yet again, nice argument.


Once again, struggling with your reading comprehension RB...

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And, if you follow his comments enough to have a general sentiment as to how often that he comments about LSU, yeah, I'd say you seem pretty irritated about it


It's not a matter of remembering a user name... it's that you remember the user name, mentally catalog his posts enough to develop a feeling (right or wrong) that he likes to post about LSU, then care enough to make a comment about it specifically and defend it...

In *this thread*, he didn't initiate conversation about LSU, but did offer up a comical reaction to what most (other than full blown LSU homers) would consider a joke or a pretty irrational statement.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:36 pm to
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Trying to come out of a Les Miles offensive system is worse for a QB

Etling at least had better protection and could hand it off more often.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:38 pm to
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12. Jarrett Stidham, Auburn




Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95341 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:38 pm to
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Etling at least had better protection and could hand it off more often.
Absolutely. I just think based on his production, he is criminally undersold on that list.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43823 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:38 pm to
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Once again, struggling with your reading comprehension RB...


Equating remembering a user and their posting habits with being irritated is the textbook definition of false equivalence. It's now clear you have a very basic grasp of that concept.


quote:

In *this thread*, he didn't initiate conversation about LSU, but did offer up a comical reaction to what most (other than full blown LSU homers) would consider a joke or a pretty irrational statement.


In *this thread*, a poster with a well-known LSU-obsession posted about LSU, and was called out on it.

I'm sorry that irritates you so much.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 1:40 pm
Posted by Central Pork
Member since Jul 2014
1286 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:43 pm to
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I'd like to see what Allen could do with a mediocre offensive line.


Me too. Allen had several games where he put up some great numbers while being hit on every play. He got beat up and it hurt his performance at the end of the season.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43823 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:44 pm to
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Me too. Allen had several games where he put up some great numbers while being hit on every play. He got beat up and it hurt his performance at the end of the season.


I found myself pulling for the kid and I do not like Arkansas, at all.

He's got the moxy.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:45 pm to
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Equating remembering a user and their posting habits with being irritated is the textbook definition of false equivalence. It's now clear you have a very basic grasp of that concept.

If it's enough to warrant you posting about it, then getting upset about getting called on it, clearly something is irritating you... Maybe it's not him... maybe it's just an actual sandy vagina... I dunno?! Either way, I stand by my original assessment as well as my assessment that you struggle to understand why your observations were inaccurate.

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In *this thread*, a poster with a well-known LSU-obsession posted about LSU, and was called out on it.

I'm sorry that irritates you so much.

"Well known" seems to be a loose definition here... I would say that TS is well known for sharing information around recruiting... As for irritating me, I simply called you on something that must have touched a nerve. You can keep doing it if you want... just acknowledging the obvious... carry on.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 1:49 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95341 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:46 pm to
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Me too. Allen had several games where he put up some great numbers while being hit on every play. He got beat up and it hurt his performance at the end of the season.


By far the best QB I saw in the SEC last year
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