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re: At some point you may have to have a covid vaccine to enter a sporting event?
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:57 am to ChiGator
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:57 am to ChiGator
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The data simply does not support any of this. You’re far more likely to have issues related to covid vs the vaccine.
Dude, there isn't ANY data on the vaccine long-term, by definition. Now the vast majority of vaccines have been fine long-term and I expect this one to be as well. But once again, you aren't reading my actual words.
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:59 am to Bobbum Man
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I just a federal mandate is a terrible idea, if they are actually considering that. At some point, grown adults will make their own decisions and there isn't much to do about it. Mandating something you see as helping them doesn't make you the "good guy". It makes you the guy who doesn't acknowledge the basic nature of government power. The blowback would be insane. And they damn well know that.
I agree with all of this. I don’t think anyone should be mandated to get it.
A government mandate is different from universities, venues, bars, etc. requiring visitors to be vaccinated. That’s those venues’ prerogative. We should also no longer be taking special precautions for those that don’t want to get vaccinated by making everyone wear masks. Those people are making their own choice, and others should not be beholden to it. However, if venues want to do that, that is also their prerogitive.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:01 pm to Crowknowsbest
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A government mandate is different from universities, venues, bars, etc. requiring visitors to be vaccinated. That’s those venues’ prerogative. We should also no longer be taking special precautions for those that don’t want to get vaccinated by making everyone wear masks. Those people are making their own choice, and others should not be beholden to it.
Agree with all this. See, common ground can be found on this shite.
At least when people actually read your argument instead of projecting what they want your argument to be so they can straw man it (not referring to you).
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:04 pm to Bobbum Man
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Bobbum Man
Thanks for reminding me to go back and watch that show
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:04 pm to Crowknowsbest
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A government mandate is different from universities, venues, bars, etc. requiring visitors to be vaccinated. That’s those venues’ prerogative.
Except we're long past the notion of "my house, my rules" for any business. They're not private - they're all considered "public accomodations". That's law - messy, inconsistent law, but law.
You don't get to mandate that everyone wear an "I luv (fill in the blank)" tee shirt to get into any arena. Arena's are considered, for good or ill, public accommodations.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:05 pm to TheFourHorsemen
I'm not getting a vaccine because I've already had covid. I dont need one.
That would be like the government forcing you to get the chicken pox vaccine after already having the chicken pox. It's not needed for me and the millions and millions who have already had it and there's no science that says it is.
If you're going to try to make me get a vaccine I don't need "or else" you can EABOD's
That would be like the government forcing you to get the chicken pox vaccine after already having the chicken pox. It's not needed for me and the millions and millions who have already had it and there's no science that says it is.
If you're going to try to make me get a vaccine I don't need "or else" you can EABOD's
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:09 pm to ScoggDog
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Except we're long past the notion of "my house, my rules" for any business. They're not private - they're all considered "public accomodations". That's law - messy, inconsistent law, but law.
Except this is a public health measure, and those have held up in the courts.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:10 pm to 8
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I'm not getting a vaccine because I've already had covid. I dont need one.
This is also a huge group of people the left tends to pretend just doesn't exist.
One the one hand: "It's so transmissive!!!!" Which is true, at least with the Delta it seems.
On the other hand: "Okay then, what about all those people who already have the anti-bodies naturally? Why would they need the vaccine?" Crickets....
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:11 pm to TheFourHorsemen
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They give you a card when you get the shot plus it is in a data base. It will be like drivers license.
Can you imagine checking identification for 100k trying to get into a game? You better get to the gate 6 hours before kick off.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:12 pm to ScoggDog
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The mRNA shot, which is every shot other than the Johnson and Johnson offering, is not a "vaccine"
You are correct. This is why I chose the J&J vaccine, personally. And that is a personal decision.
As for the rest of what you said, it doesn't scare me. But if it scares you, again, the J&J is available. No reason not to get that one. It may not be as effective, but it at least significantly slows the spread and greatly reduces the chances of hospitalization or death.
At this point, at least getting the J&J is a no brainer.
ETA: unless you've actually had COVID. Then, you should be good to go.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:12 pm to Crowknowsbest
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No. That was always going to happen, just like with most other vaccines.
It's literally not like most other vaccines. You seem to be confusing that with the flu shot, which is where they try to guess which strain they will most likely get, but then they end up getting a different strain and then it doesn't work.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:13 pm to TheFourHorsemen
Desantis signed a law banning proof of vaccination by businesses or govt. entities. In FL, the most they could do is put a sign up or ask.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:14 pm to Leto II
Bobbum Man coming for that equipmunk....
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:15 pm to 3down10
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then they end up getting a different strain and then it doesn't work.
Like what is happening now?
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:15 pm to Bobbum Man
Ppl who try to sound smart about viruses dont know shite about variants either. Yeah delta is more easily transmitted. Its also far less deadly and severe. That's what flu viruses do when they make a variant. It gets weaker, but transmits easier and basically turns into a cold. That's the life cycle of all viruses. Read a book.
If it was a whole new virus, say covid 20 or covid 22 that would be a mutation and a new virus. That's not what the delta is. It's still covid 19, its just a weaker variant.
If it was a whole new virus, say covid 20 or covid 22 that would be a mutation and a new virus. That's not what the delta is. It's still covid 19, its just a weaker variant.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:17 pm to 8
Agreed, anyone who references the valid fact that Delta transmits easier but leaves out the fact it's far less lethal is probably not an honest broker.
Context matters. In all of this. There's been a serious lack of context coming from the government (more so the Feds) when they spout statistics for the entirety of this ordeal. Why that is, I will leave up to you....
Context matters. In all of this. There's been a serious lack of context coming from the government (more so the Feds) when they spout statistics for the entirety of this ordeal. Why that is, I will leave up to you....
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:22 pm to Bobbum Man
Hospitalizations just topped 50K for the first time since February. If you can’t see a correlation than I don’t know what to tell you.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:23 pm to ChiGator
Not to sound too much like a dick, but both times you've responded, it's been to something I never said/denied or referenced. Let's agree to disagree at this point.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:25 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Except this is a public health measure, and those have held up in the courts.
Except public health measures have never before been allowed to be decided on a case by case basis, with nothing more than "my accommodation, my rules".
Your employer can not mandate that you be a non-drinker. All he can do is dictate you will not drink on his property or his time. Same with smoking.
Kids - lets boil all this down. Some of you are very much pro-mRNA shot, and you'll support anything it takes to mandate everyone take it. Well - I'll tell you right now - obesity kills more people every year than the COVID. Wanna' carry your BMI card into the arena ? I'm a passionate drinker - got a beer open right now - but it's not health food. Want to prove you don't indulge, on one of these fabulous databases, in order to get to assemble in public ?
Don't fool yourselves. This won't end with an "I took the mRNA" star on your sleeve.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:26 pm to Hellmet
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They can and they will. This will especially be the case later this year when the CDC fully approves it. Once that happens there will be no more excuses. Get the vaccine for your country or get the hell out. I can see the slogans now:
Trump lost, stop crying, get vaccinated cowards.
I'd rather not get vaccinated and then spit in someone's face when they cry about me not being vaccinated.
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