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re: At some point you may have to have a covid vaccine to enter a sporting event?
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:28 am to Hellmet
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:28 am to Hellmet
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They can and will
Where do you get that? Some sort of precedent?
Not being facetious, curious where you're getting that.
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They can and will, the only thing stopping the Feds at the moment is that they need the green light from the CDC.
Thank God the CDC is the last hurdle to clear. They haven't shown themselves to be political animals at all during this ordeal (now I AM being facetious).
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 11:30 am
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:28 am to Bobbum Man
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I would argue they explicitly can't. I guess they could just flat out ignore that? It wouldn't be the first time. We all seem to be making up the rules as we go along here.
I know they can't in Texas (thankfully). Governor already outlawed vaccine passports to preempt any frickery from the Feds. And from what I understand, the State (Texas) has the last word.
Sure they can. The US Supreme Court just upheld the ruling today that Indiana University can require its students to be vaccinated. Attending a college sporting event wouldn’t be any different. If anything they could easily argue it’s for entertainment purposes and can be regulated.
ETA: It’s on the precedent of Jacobson v Massachusetts (1905) which deals with compulsory vaccinations for public health purposes. It’s been challenged several times and has held up.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 11:32 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:30 am to TheFourHorsemen
As a staunch conservative, I just don't understand the deal with the vaccine (or masks, for that matter).
Quick - name 1 vaccine that is viewed as a failure, or that we're sorry we instituted as a nation.
Crickets? Right. "But, muh, we went too fast". Wrong. This vaccine was about a decade in the making. Educate yourself, and get vaccinated.
The real worry should revolve around the fact that it's an engineered bioweapon that accidentally escaped the lab in Wuhan. And I don't want to hear that nonsense that it's not - there's no way it's just a coincidence that the outbreak started miles from a facility that "studies" coronaviruses. Now it's mutating faster than we can keep up. Breakthrough cases are on the uptick (check out the gamma variant - when that takes over, the vaccine is about 50/50). The longer we wait to vaccinate, the more of a head start these mutations have. We'd probably be through this garbage if every state had gotten to 80% vaccinated by May or June.
Quick - name 1 vaccine that is viewed as a failure, or that we're sorry we instituted as a nation.
Crickets? Right. "But, muh, we went too fast". Wrong. This vaccine was about a decade in the making. Educate yourself, and get vaccinated.
The real worry should revolve around the fact that it's an engineered bioweapon that accidentally escaped the lab in Wuhan. And I don't want to hear that nonsense that it's not - there's no way it's just a coincidence that the outbreak started miles from a facility that "studies" coronaviruses. Now it's mutating faster than we can keep up. Breakthrough cases are on the uptick (check out the gamma variant - when that takes over, the vaccine is about 50/50). The longer we wait to vaccinate, the more of a head start these mutations have. We'd probably be through this garbage if every state had gotten to 80% vaccinated by May or June.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:31 am to TheFourHorsemen
Cracking down for what? This seems like a blue state problem
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:31 am to BluegrassBelle
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Sure they can. The US Supreme Court just upheld the ruling today that Indiana University can require its students to be vaccinated.
You misunderstand. I'm talking specifically about the federal government mandating vaccinations. I'm not talking about institutions that take public dollars that people still technically CHOOSE to attend. I'm talking about the Feds mandating it across the board.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 11:38 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:35 am to ChiGator
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I think the simplest solution to this is if you choose not to get vaccinated, you should pay more for your health insurance. Sort of similar to smoking.
It’s not similar to smoking at all. There’s multiple studies out now that show natural immunity from having the virus is as good of or better protection than getting the vaccine. This isn’t as simple as do you smoke yes or no.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:38 am to TheFourHorsemen
Earlier the medical community had determined that sunlight kills Covid instantly......
There is no reason for masks or spacing in outdoor stadiums.....
There is no reason for masks or spacing in outdoor stadiums.....
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 11:40 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:41 am to Bobbum Man
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Where do you get that? Some sort of precedent?
Not being facetious, curious where you're getting that.
Federal law supersedes state law, the Feds can overwrite just about anything they want to and the state can do nothing about it. It's been used many times to enforce desegregation etc.
If a state like Arkansas makes a law that says public schools can't force a mask mandate (which they did), the Feds can come in and tell Arkansas to go F themselves and remove the mandate.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:43 am to TheFourHorsemen
Are we pretending vaccinated people aren't getting and spreading it now?
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:44 am to Hellmet
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Federal law supersedes state law, the Feds can overwrite just about anything they want to and the state can do nothing about it. It's been used many times to enforce desegregation etc.
This is VERY broad statement. I think the application of this statement depends on the subject matter. At the very least, things certainly haven't been this simple historically.
Regardless, it's sure about to get interesting in Texas and some other states then who have already passed laws against it then. I would imagine they would just refuse to comply.
Kind of like how some states have openly refused to comply with certain Federal immigration laws in the past. Sanctuary cities, etc. Right????
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 11:46 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:46 am to Hogfan13
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As a staunch conservative, I just don't understand the deal with the vaccine (or masks, for that matter).
I can understand why people do not trust the government. I don’t trust the government.
However, literally every piece of literature I’ve seen from every even borderline legitimate academic scientific source says the vaccine is clearly effective and safe. It’s to the point that there can be no explanation other than a political one for a lot of people. The caveat would be a basic distrust of vaccines and government medical advice in the black community, which will understandably be hard to overcome.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:47 am to 3down10
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Are we pretending vaccinated people aren't getting and spreading it now?
No. That was always going to happen, just like with most other vaccines.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:48 am to Zgeo
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Earlier the medical community had determined that sunlight kills Covid instantly......
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:48 am to Crowknowsbest
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It’s to the point that there can be no explanation other than a political one for a lot of people.
I largely agree it has shown to be safe and effective. But let's be 100% fair here. Someone can still accurately say we don't know if there are any adverse long-term effects. I'm not saying I expect there to be, in fact I very much don't. But that is just a fact.
I'm sure there are some healthy people out there who just want to avoid that risk, no matter how small. After all, the chances of them being hospitalized with COVID may be just as small, if not smaller. To say the only reason someone wouldn't take it at this point is politics is silly. You may disagree vehemently with the reasoning, but that doesn't make it political.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 11:51 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:52 am to Bobbum Man
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Someone can still accurately say we don't know if there are any adverse long-term effects.
Correct. They also can’t say that about a minor case of COVID.
We don’t have all the information on either the vaccine or COVID itself, but all the information we do have points to the vaccine being safer in every age group tested so far.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:53 am to TheCheshireHog
Natural immunity doesn’t do shite when there are multiple new variants floating around. At this point, people refusing to get vaccinated are a burden on the healthcare system by taking up beds, keeping healthcare workers tied up with covid patients, continuing to spread it to other unvaxed folks etc. if you’re going to be irresponsible and choose this lifestyle, you should pay more for health insurance. It’s simple.
The ironic thing is, with the amount of studies done on these vaccines, the ppl not getting it and fricking around with delta variant are the actual Guinea pigs at this point.
The ironic thing is, with the amount of studies done on these vaccines, the ppl not getting it and fricking around with delta variant are the actual Guinea pigs at this point.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:54 am to TheFourHorsemen
You get a card when you get vaccinated, so you'd think at some point it would get used
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:54 am to Bobbum Man
The data simply does not support any of this. You’re far more likely to have issues related to covid vs the vaccine.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:55 am to Crowknowsbest
Agreed. 
I just think a federal mandate is a terrible idea, if they are actually considering that. At some point, grown adults will make their own decisions and there isn't much to do about it. Mandating something you see as helping them doesn't make you the "good guy". It makes you the guy who doesn't acknowledge the basic nature of government power. The blowback would be insane. And they damn well know that.
I just think a federal mandate is a terrible idea, if they are actually considering that. At some point, grown adults will make their own decisions and there isn't much to do about it. Mandating something you see as helping them doesn't make you the "good guy". It makes you the guy who doesn't acknowledge the basic nature of government power. The blowback would be insane. And they damn well know that.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 11:58 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:55 am to Hogfan13
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Quick - name 1 vaccine that is viewed as a failure, or that we're sorry we instituted as a nation.
Wrong question. The mRNA shot, which is every shot other than the Johnson and Johnson offering, is not a "vaccine" as is commonly understood and taught. The mRNA shot contains no portion of the COVID virus.
The mRNA shot instructs your body, literally at the genetic level, to break down the muscle at the injection site to create the dreaded COVID "spike protein". Your body then attacks that protein. The mRNA shot is, literally, a genetic therapy.
This has never been tried in a public setting in human history - and that is a fact. This is, no hyperbole, the biggest drug field trial ever done.
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