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Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:45 am to Stonehog
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:45 am to Stonehog
I didn't see the clip, but I think it's more on the lines of you can't beat them with power running style football. They can run it because of their players and the rest of us don't have that type of talent. I love the power I. But in today's game, you can't run it without elite talent.
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:47 am to Stonehog
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All it takes is offensive line talent and we are getting that. It's the best position we've recruited by far.
Its a lot more complicated than that Im afraid. Its a pro style playaction offense, one which relies on every man doing his job every play. Frequently, spread offenses only demand adequete execution from a few guys on any given snap based on the offensive design. In Bielema's offense one holding penalty on second and ten and the drive is done. One missed block on a playaction pass, the drive is done. His offense doesnt allow for the team to get behind the chains or have failed plays regularly because of the nature of how it moves the ball. Spread offenses get yards in huge chunks and spread out defenses, his packs them in, chips away and hopes to land the big play occasionally.
His scheme requires more talent to run effectively than the other, more "gimmicky" offenses.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 12:48 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:48 am to MSUmtowndawg
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I think it's more on the lines of you can't beat them with power running style football.
Once again, so what? So we can't beat Alabama. Most teams in the league can't beat Alabama, regardless of scheme or talent.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:49 am to Stonehog
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Which is why we completely overhauled our defensive staff. And Mett wasn't out for long, he only missed about 5 minutes of the game.
The point is, LSU had emotionally conceded that game. The fans were dead and the team looked ready to bail.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:51 am to Stonehog
I agree. I don't think it's saying arky can't compete with everyone. Just LSU and bama.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:52 am to Stonehog
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Once again, so what? So we can't beat Alabama. Most teams in the league can't beat Alabama, regardless of scheme or talent.
In the last two seasons, three teams have beaten Alabama and all three ran versions of the spread offense. In the last three years, the only non-spread team to beat them was the equally talented LSU.
Talent, spread offenses or both can beat Bama. There is no evidence Arkansas' plan can accomplish that.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:53 am to TheCheshireHog
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If Petrino couldn't beat Saban with better talent than we currently have then I'm not going to be pissed at Bielema if his offense doesn't do it either.
offense won't be our problem under bert, the defense is what will make or break us
and bert puts more emphasis on defense than petrino did
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:54 am to Roger Klarvin
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Frequently, spread offenses only demand adequete execution from a few guys on any given snap based on the offensive design
If that was the case then there would be no need to recruit elite players on offense, you could just focus all your efforts on defense and get a bunch of 2 and 3 stars to run the offense.
We both know that isn't happening.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:57 am to Roger Klarvin
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Talent, spread offenses or both can beat Bama. There is no evidence Arkansas' plan can accomplish that.
I don't think you're getting it.
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Once again, so what? So we can't beat Alabama.
Big deal if we can't beat Bama, that's the only team we can't beat running this style of offense. There are 12 other teams in the league that we can beat without running a spread offense.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:58 am to blzr
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Yea with Auburn and Alabama doing what they are, it won't matter what style you play.
Funny.
Houston Nutt lead the SEC in rushing MULTIPLE years in a row. Atlanta bound twice with ground and pound. We out'ed LSU and Bama then, we will do it again.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:59 am to MSUmtowndawg
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you can't beat them with power running style football. They can run it because of their players and the rest of us don't have that type of talent. I love the power I. But in today's game, you can't run it without elite talent.
as piss poor as our talent was last year, we still had success running the football fwiw
bert's offense will work here. it's really a matter of if he can get our secondary up to snuff that will determine if he'll succeed here
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:00 am to Stonehog
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If that was the case then there would be no need to recruit elite players on offense, you could just focus all your efforts on defense and get a bunch of 2 and 3 stars to run the offense.
Texas Tech went 12-1 in a loaded Big XII with mostly teo and three star recruits in 2008. They were not the first or the last marginal team to make big noise with the spread.
You can be wildly successful with the spread with very limited talent. The difference is that only recently are teams combining the spread with elite players at Oregon, Auburn, A&M, etc.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:02 am to Stonehog
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Big deal if we can't beat Bama, that's the only team we can't beat running this style of offense. There are 12 other teams in the league that we can beat without running a spread offense.
You are missing the point, you wont beat much of ANYONE with that offense at your current talent level because of the nature of the offense.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:02 am to Roger Klarvin
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Its a lot more complicated than that Im afraid. Its a pro style playaction offense, one which relies on every man doing his job every play. Frequently, spread offenses only demand adequete execution from a few guys on any given snap based on the offensive design. In Bielema's offense one holding penalty on second and ten and the drive is done. One missed block on a playaction pass, the drive is done. His offense doesnt allow for the team to get behind the chains or have failed plays regularly because of the nature of how it moves the ball. Spread offenses get yards in huge chunks and spread out defenses, his packs them in, chips away and hopes to land the big play occasionally.
His scheme requires more talent to run effectively than the other, more "gimmicky" offenses.
you're writing a lot of words trying to convince yourself bert will fail at Arkansas
when in reality it can be simplified
bert's offense will work.
bert's defense is what's in question
see simple
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:03 am to Roger Klarvin
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Texas Tech went 12-1 in a loaded Big XII with mostly teo and three star recruits in 2008
They went 11-2 actually.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:06 am to hawgfaninc
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you're writing a lot of words trying to convince yourself bert will fail at Arkansas
I dont need any convincing, the current body of evidence in his time in the SEC resoundingly supports my argument. Every hypothetical in this thread, every single one, has come from Arkansas fans.
Could be pull it off? I guess, but it would qualify as one of the more shocking turn of events in my time watching CFB. Ive maintained that after this year he will make a significant offensive change and we'll see from there. He will try and save face this year and I just dont see it working, but he'll give on his philosophy before he concedes his job. Getting fired after leaving a thriving Wisconsin program of his own volition would be a whole lotta egg to wipe off.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 1:07 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:07 am to Roger Klarvin
Houston Dale Nutt
• Led the SEC’s top-ranked team in scoring
offense from 2002-04. The Hogs averaged
29.8 points per game during that stretch.
They were also the top-scoring team in the
Western Division during Nutt’s tenure. The
Razorbacks averaged 28.89 points per
game (3,553 points) since 1998 and scored
20 points or more 92 times in Nutt’s 123
games. The Hogs averaged a school-record
39.8 points per game in 2007.
• Fielded the top rushing offense in the SEC
over his 10 years in Fayetteville. UA rushed
for 200.1 yards per game in that time.
His Razorbacks led the SEC in rushing in 2002, 2003, 2005 and 2006. The 2002 Hogs averaged 218.9 yards
rushing per game, while the 2003 squad cranked out 241.9 yards per game. Arkansas finished second in the
league in rushing in 2004, pounding out 187.4 yards per game. The 2005 Razorbacks averaged 216.9 yards per
game, while the 2006 squad rushed for 228.5 yards per game, which also ranked fourth nationally. Arkansas is
No. 4 in the nation again this season at 296.8 yards per game.
LINK
We will do it again.
• Led the SEC’s top-ranked team in scoring
offense from 2002-04. The Hogs averaged
29.8 points per game during that stretch.
They were also the top-scoring team in the
Western Division during Nutt’s tenure. The
Razorbacks averaged 28.89 points per
game (3,553 points) since 1998 and scored
20 points or more 92 times in Nutt’s 123
games. The Hogs averaged a school-record
39.8 points per game in 2007.
• Fielded the top rushing offense in the SEC
over his 10 years in Fayetteville. UA rushed
for 200.1 yards per game in that time.
His Razorbacks led the SEC in rushing in 2002, 2003, 2005 and 2006. The 2002 Hogs averaged 218.9 yards
rushing per game, while the 2003 squad cranked out 241.9 yards per game. Arkansas finished second in the
league in rushing in 2004, pounding out 187.4 yards per game. The 2005 Razorbacks averaged 216.9 yards per
game, while the 2006 squad rushed for 228.5 yards per game, which also ranked fourth nationally. Arkansas is
No. 4 in the nation again this season at 296.8 yards per game.
LINK
We will do it again.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 1:09 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:08 am to Stonehog
My mistake, 11-2
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:08 am to Roger Klarvin
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You are missing the point, you wont beat much of ANYONE with that offense at your current talent level because of the nature of the offense.
That's a ridiculous notion. Our defense will be much more important going forward than our run game.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:11 am to SunHog
First, Houston Nutt ran a very different offense than Bielema does. If you cant see or acknowledge that, there isnt much point to discussing this further. Not all running is equal.
Second, Nutt had a lot more talent than Bielema does currently. Bielema will not get a lot more talent without winning at least a little bit.
Third, the SEC landscape was different 10-15 years ago. LSU was not where they are now, Bama was consistently average and the entire SEC West wasnt landing top 15 classes every year.
Second, Nutt had a lot more talent than Bielema does currently. Bielema will not get a lot more talent without winning at least a little bit.
Third, the SEC landscape was different 10-15 years ago. LSU was not where they are now, Bama was consistently average and the entire SEC West wasnt landing top 15 classes every year.
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