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re: "Arkansas can't out-Bama Bama or out-Lsu Lsu"
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:14 am to NGATiger
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:14 am to NGATiger
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He means A&M mostly, but LSU recruits Texas pretty well also. Bama has also snagged some big recruits out of there lately. Arky? Eh.
Name me one good defense relying on Texas talent.
Not we take a WR/QB/RB here and there, but we have nothing but big hat, big belt buckle, Tejas blooded, Texans playing on our top defense.
I'll save you the research, it doesn't exist.
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:14 am to DaleDenton
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Yes, because those Bama and LSU defenses are built on the backs of Texas recruits.
Right, they are built on the backs of Louisiana, Alabama, Florida and Mississippi recruits, also places where Arkansas only rarely is able to pull true studs from. The reason I referenced Missouri and Texas is because, in their heyday, Arkansas recruited those areas intensely.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:16 am to Crimson G
As long as we can keep/develope players 4-5 years we will be fine. We don't have the recruiting to lose key players to the draft early.
7-9 win seasons with occasional runs every 3 years thanks to depth build up from keeping upperclassmen. Which I have no problem with.
7-9 win seasons with occasional runs every 3 years thanks to depth build up from keeping upperclassmen. Which I have no problem with.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:16 am to DaleDenton
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Name me one good defense relying on Texas talent.
Didn't say relying, but two or three guys can be the difference between a good or great defense.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:16 am to TheCheshireHog
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It's mainly just people parroting something that they've heard elsewhere.
That's what I'm thinking as well.
Petrino was 0-4 against Bama with his amazing offense.
aggy couldn't beat Lsu with Manziel.
So why is Arkansas running the ball so important all of a sudden?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:19 am to NGATiger
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Didn't say relying, but two or three guys can be the difference between a good or great defense.
Two or three is about the amount of legitimate defensive prospects Texas produces each year, no different than Arkansas on that side of the ball.
When nets are placed next to the narrowed goal posts, we should focus on Texas as hard as we did in the SWC, not until then...
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:20 am to NGATiger
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But why do people think those two teams are so special just for Arkansas? No one ever asks if Ole Miss can beat Bama with their style of offense.
Because Bert had an offense that was basically LSU/Bama North at Wisconsin
I don't think you understand the question at all. I'm asking why is only Arkansas' offense so important? None of the talking heads ever ask if other teams' offenses will be able to beat Bama and Lsu every year.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:20 am to Stonehog
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But why do people think those two teams are so special just for Arkansas? No one ever asks if Ole Miss can beat Bama with their style of offense.
Trying to beat Nick Saban at his own game with inferior players is a bad idea. Trying to beat Nick Saban with the spread, an offense he notoriously hates dealing with, is a different matter.
The reason the spread is so successful is because it evens the playing field somewhat, giving undermatched teams advantages they otherwise would lack. Alabama and LSU play the way they do because, if you have elite talent, you can just pound the other team into submission and that is made much easier when the other team is trying to do the same thing they are just with worse players.
Basically, Bielema is trying to play a given way despite not having the horses to do it. A traditional run first play-action offense will get you THROTTLED regularly in this era of college football if you dont have a high level of talent. You get down to fast paced teams, or teams that do what you do better, and you have no good way of getting back into the game. Bielema's offense requires consistently getting leads, holding them and wearing the other team out. That just isnt smart given his talent and what he's up against.
Had Arkansas been running a spread, they probably beat A&M last year.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:23 am to Stonehog
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None of the talking heads ever ask if other teams' offenses will be able to beat Bama and Lsu every year.
Because people like to compare things that are similar. Bert wants you guys to play like Bama and LSU, so regardless of different expectations for each program that is who you'll be compared to. Auburn, Ole Miss, and aTm are spread, so I'm sure when the subject of scoring and yards comes up they will be compared.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:25 am to Roger Klarvin
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recruit at a level Arkansas never could regardless of success.
I disagree. I don't know if we'll ever be successful enough to recruit like that but lets not pretend people are choosing Tuscaloosa Alabama over all the other places in the country because of the location or the prestigious education.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:25 am to DaleDenton
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Two or three is about the amount of legitimate defensive prospects Texas produces each year, no different than Arkansas on that side of the ball.
When nets are placed next to the narrowed goal posts, we should focus on Texas as hard as we did in the SWC, not until then...
Two or three, huh?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:25 am to Roger Klarvin
Extremely well put.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:25 am to Roger Klarvin
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Basically, Bielema is trying to play a given way despite not having the horses to do it
Against only two teams, one of which shouldn't even be in the conversation. So we won't beat Bama every year. That's nothing new, we haven't beaten them since 2006.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:26 am to oklahogjr
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I disagree. I don't know if we'll ever be successful enough to recruit like that but lets not pretend people are choosing Tuscaloosa Alabama over all the other places in the country because of the location or the prestigious education.
Its about program history and location. Bama is Bama, Arkansas is not. Alabama has the name brand, and they are in a much more fertile recruiting ground than Arkansas.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:29 am to DaleDenton
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Two or three is about the amount of legitimate defensive prospects Texas produces each year, no different than Arkansas on that side of the ball.
If you are talking 5 stars, 2 or 3 is right. Texas produces a TON of legitimate talent every year... enough to keep aTm, UT, OU, TTU, Baylor, and TCU pretty good while all relying mostly on that talent.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:30 am to Stonehog
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Against only two teams, one of which shouldn't even be in the conversation. So we won't beat Bama every year. That's nothing new, we haven't beaten them since 2006.
Its an admittedly simplistic way of conveying a larger issue. Bielema is going to lose a lot of games he otherwise could have won by stubbornly trying to a play a style that doesnt work with the combination of talent and opponents he is dealing with. This just isnt the Big Ten, no other way to say it. The athletes overall are better, the venues more intimidating, the top dogs at a different level and the gap between Arkansas recruiting and the average SEC school is just so much wider than that between Wisconsin and the likes of MSU, Nebraska, Iowa, etc.
This isnt even addressing the elephant in the room never discussed by Arkansas fans, Bielema's less than stellar record against the other top dogs in the Big Ten. He built his reputation largely at the expense of Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern, Minnesota, etc.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 12:33 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:30 am to Stonehog
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Against only two teams, one of which shouldn't even be in the conversation.
Exactly. It's such a ridiculous arguement to make. That style of offense will work against everyone but Saban. I'm fine with that at the end of the day. If Petrino couldn't beat Saban with better talent than we currently have then I'm not going to be pissed at Bielema if his offense doesn't do it either.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:37 am to TheCheshireHog
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Exactly. It's such a ridiculous arguement to make. That style of offense will work against everyone but Saban. I'm fine with that at the end of the day. If Petrino couldn't beat Saban with better talent than we currently have then I'm not going to be pissed at Bielema if his offense doesn't do it either.
It would work IF he had the talent. His offensive style requires a lot of talent, not just a great scheme like others.
If Bielema doesnt win, he cant acquire that talent. If Bielema doesnt have the talent, he cant win regularly with that offense in this league. Thus, as I and many others predicted from day one he will either keep losing until he he is either fired or makes a scheme change. Barring an unlikely and miraculous defiance of the odds, his scheme or his job will give.
Just look at the LSU game last year, they played awful. They had no energy at all especially after Mett went down. Arkansas should have won that game, and probably by several scores. They outplayed LSU across the board for much of that game...and in the end all it took was one pass from a noodle armed true freshman to do them in.
With that scheme, you guys have to try SO hard and play SO well just to hope that the other team doesnt make one or two back breaking plays every single week. I just dont think any coach can do that and succeed. Arkansas just has to put so much energy forth to even have a chance to win. Bobby Petrinos scheme beats LSU by three touchdowns if they play like that.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 12:43 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:40 am to Roger Klarvin
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It would work IF he had the talent. His offensive style requires a lot of talent, not just a great scheme like others.
All it takes is offensive line talent and we are getting that. It's the best position we've recruited by far.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:44 am to Roger Klarvin
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and in the end all it took was one pass from a noodle armed true freshman to do them in.
Which is why we completely overhauled our defensive staff. And Mett wasn't out for long, he only missed about 5 minutes of the game.
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