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Posted on 2/26/16 at 6:46 am to volfan30
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I think most Vol fans on this board would tell you I'm probably the least homerific fan on this board when it comes to UT football.
I am not a big Butch fan and I certainly don't buy in to most of the hoopla surrounding the program.
Believe me, you aren't alone.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 6:49 am to gatordmb89
Another one? Damn. Can somebody make a flow chart and sticky it? This whole thing is getting hard to follow.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 7:16 am to jbond
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Stop bullying poor Tennessee, they're going through a really hard time right now.
ISWYDT
Posted on 2/26/16 at 7:20 am to Wtodd
So, many studies have shown that the rate of false rape reporting is about 2% (police studies)
so.. 1 in 50 is false.. and for what are we at, 8 now? to all be false..
Well, the odds are pretty fricking phenomenal
so.. 1 in 50 is false.. and for what are we at, 8 now? to all be false..
Well, the odds are pretty fricking phenomenal
Posted on 2/26/16 at 7:31 am to JustGetItRight
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JustGetItRight
Well you're just a Tennessee homer who enables rapists.
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Alabama fan
Posted on 2/26/16 at 7:49 am to gatordmb89
Posted on 2/26/16 at 7:50 am to volfan30
Were you there when the alleged rapes and assaults took place? I assume that your knowledge is either "story" provided by the UT institution. That or you are a lawyer/cop who isn't supposed to go on message boards and talk about it. To me there sounds like there are truths involved because we all heard that Bowles had been attacked at the time and we all heard that he had been threatened at the time but he seemed inclined to just get out of there. Now, under oath, he confirms the rumor we all heard and deep down inside we all knew was probably the case. And the players who physically intimidated the guy who was on the side of the alleged victim (DOES NOT MATTER IF SHE IS TELLING THE TRUTH) were basically not punished in a meaningful way. That is what has me the most upset as a Tennessean with a lot of family involved at the University.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 7:55 am to GnashRebel
My rant continues. How many coaches have had people talk about what out control twat he is like Jones? Punching Crowder. Calling Bowles a traitor. Kids leaving and the rumor being the out of control screaming and profanity around the the program that locals say they can hear blasting off of the practice field. The Cincinnati players that said that they aren't surprised that someone would say Jones hit a player. Never have I heard so much come up about any coach, although Muschamp looks like he might murder someone some day. Not one other coach has so much trouble swirling around him all the time and most Vol fans in this state, not saying everyone here, sit around saying everyone is out to get poor Butch Jones. 
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:01 am to gatordmb89
quote:Question:
Nobody has really talked about it, but a little over a year ago, a walk-on LB sexually assaulted a female student at the time. Fortunately for the LB, he had both his parents and Butch on his side. His parents paid the girl enough hush money to shut her up and Jones suspended him from team activities for just shy of a month while knowing all of this was taking place. This is actually known by several people involved with TN and was kind of the beginning of all the fallout.
If a woman takes hush money to cover up a rape, does she go from being a sexual assault victim to becoming a whore?...just asking.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:07 am to GnashRebel
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To me there sounds like there are truths involved because we all heard that Bowles had been attacked at the time and we all heard that he had been threatened at the time but he seemed inclined to just get out of there.
We heard the rumors, but that doesn't make them true. I have no doubt that people got in Drae's face and even threatened him.
But the lawsuit originally alleged that he was jumped by 7 football players, ask yourself how likely that is. Seriously, 7 full grown athletes jumped him?
He didn't have a scratch on him, he traveled with the team to the bowl game 2 months after the fact, he stayed the team until February of 2015, does that sound like the behavior of someone who was in fear for his life?
There were several players that transferred last year because they were unhappy with Jones, surely one of them would corroborate his story, wouldn't they?
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:08 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Well you're just a Tennessee homer who enables rapists.
Yep. I'm clearly a buttchugging VFL. Me, you, and SavageOrangeHomelandHeroJug should get together sometime....
Seriously, UT may be guilty as hell, they may be totally innocent, and the truth may be somewhere in between. I'm just tired of seeing all these posts from people assuming the words typed in a plaintiff's filing are true and qualify as any kind of proof.
If that's the case, the Duke Lacross team is a gang rape club and Michael Brown was coming back from Sunday school when he was shot in the back with his hands up.
Maybe it is just me, but I'd simply prefer to wait on actual evidence rather than forming a judgement based solely on words written by attorneys who probably aren't getting paid a dime if they don't win or settle.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:15 am to Vols&Shaft83
I believe there are people who have corroborated that he was attacked. Not saying he was murdered or anything but the fact that Jones did nothing about it only confirmed the narrative the school is now facing which is that people aren't held accountable for their actions by the athletic department.
And it was another player, not Bowles, who told the cops Orta had a hit on Bowles. Not that I believe Orta meant it but to have said it warranted major discipline. Course he graduated anyway and moved on.
And it was another player, not Bowles, who told the cops Orta had a hit on Bowles. Not that I believe Orta meant it but to have said it warranted major discipline. Course he graduated anyway and moved on.
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:21 am to GnashRebel
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I believe there are people who have corroborated that he was attacked. Not saying he was murdered or anything but the fact that Jones did nothing about it
There are no eyewitnesses that saw him get attacked. There are several people that saw a verbal altercation in Smokey's Cafe. That's it.
There are also several people that have said that Butch Jones told the team that if anyone tried to harm Bowles, they would be kicked off the team.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:26 am to GnashRebel
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And it was another player, not Bowles, who told the cops Orta had a hit on Bowles. Not that I believe Orta meant it but to have said it warranted major discipline.
Yes, Mike Williams told police that. Again, that doesn't mean anyone physically assaulted him. And I don't know what punishment Orta faced, if any, but neither do you.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:27 am to GnashRebel
quote:This. Forget about the minute details of each accusation or the strength of each individual piece of evidence, and look at the big picture...the actual culture carried out by a number of the UT athletes and the responses by those in charge when incidents are reported to them. That's where this will eventually end up.
I believe there are people who have corroborated that he was attacked. Not saying he was murdered or anything but the fact that Jones did nothing about it only confirmed the narrative the school is now facing which is that people aren't held accountable for their actions by the athletic department.
And it was another player, not Bowles, who told the cops Orta had a hit on Bowles. Not that I believe Orta meant it but to have said it warranted major discipline. Course he graduated anyway and moved on.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:28 am to gatordmb89
Gospel - somebody said so
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:31 am to Vols&Shaft83
Can we agree that it sounds suspicious that you, me, and others heard he had been attacked even when he seemed inclined not to speak about it and then when he is under oath in a federal lawsuit he says it happened. If I asked you to bet the house on whether he was attacked or not, what would you do? We are not a jury, we are message board trolls so we are talking about the legal stuff at this point.
This post was edited on 2/26/16 at 8:32 am
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:31 am to coachcrisp
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If a woman takes hush money to cover up a rape, does she go from being a sexual assault victim to becoming a whore?...just asking.
If she takes hush money and then joins a civil suit to get more money, that's just greedy.
"Hey we bribed this girl and she's not honoring the bribe".
Not intending to minimize sexual assault in any way, but merely pointing out the sheer ridiculousness of the OP.
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:32 am to volfan30
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LINK
This is the incident he's talking about.
In that situation, I have done some dumb shite while blackout drunk including waking up a random a couple times. I never claimed it was rape though. The whole too drunk to remember defense is getting old, I get it if the dude was just a sober predator at the party waiting for some girl to get ridiculously drunk or drugging girls but if both were drunk then shut the frick up and accept your frick up.
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