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Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:21 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Look - we get your views on Alabama and their future plans. That's fine. Please don't start trying to tell us how Alabama people feel about those plans and the future. You are welcome to your jaded opinion, but don't project it on our alumni base.
Look- I am talking about the entire higher education system in the state. UA is the easiest to point out because of the +60% of out of state students. Each school has a capacity to efficiently educate the citizens of the State of Alabama, at an acceptable cost to the families and students. If you do not think growth causes tuition hikes, you must live in a lotto state. Everyone wants to blame the State Legislature for lack of support, the problem is they will not earmark those dollars to just in-state students. If this trend continues, the University of Phoenix will have more instate students than UA.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:22 am to SummerOfGeorge
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In-State Students Fall 2015
Alabama - 17,066
Auburn - 16,197
Money received from the state in FY15
Alabama - $142,791,314
Auburn - $157,436,451
Auburn is receiving more money from the state and has less in-state students. Who should the tax payer be pissed at?
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:29 am to SummerOfGeorge
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In-State Students Fall 2015 Alabama - 17,066 Auburn - 16,197 It's funny to hear Auburn people so anti-out of state students. For years Auburn heavily promoted itself as the non-UGA option for Atlanta kids, even going as far as giving kids from Georgia in-state tuition at Auburn.
That is the ignorance that you are showing in this entire issue. Do you think that the other 20K and 8k out of state students are paying for the 100 years of infrastructure or the maintenance of the University. If the schools were built to just support those in-state students, what % would the State Legislature contribution be toward that operations.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:37 am to GIbson05
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quote:In-State Students Fall 2015 Alabama - 17,066 Auburn - 16,197 Money received from the state in FY15 Alabama - $142,791,314 Auburn - $157,436,451 Auburn is receiving more money from the state and has less in-state students. Who should the tax payer be pissed at?
Based on your figures the State is funding per student:
Alabama: $4105.00
Auburn: $6055.00
If they were only funding Alabama Citizens:
Alabama: $8320.00
Auburn: $9720.00
We all should be pissed.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:40 am to MSU5
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Love this hire. This should help up swing some Alabama recruits in the future.
Ehhhhhhhhhh....
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:41 am to jb4
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Why doesn't the state of Alabama have a state LOTTO and put the money into education.
Because a State Lotto is basically just a voluntary tax on poor people to send middle class kids to college for free?
That isn't why they don't, though. It's because gambling is the devil. In reality, state lottery funded scholarships are just massive transfers of wealth from mostly lower class people to middle and upper class people.
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:43 am to Irons Puppet
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We all should be pissed
I'm not.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:45 am to Irons Puppet
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Do you think that the other 20K and 8k out of state students are paying for the 100 years of infrastructure or the maintenance of the University
I think the University's spending to improve infrastructure has benefited everyone, including current in-state and out-of-state students as well as alums who see the value of their degree rise.
I'm perfectly content with it and would be if I was living in-state, as are the majority of my alum friends who live in-state.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:48 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I think the University's spending to improve infrastructure has benefited everyone, including current in-state and out-of-state students as well as alums who see the value of their degree rise. I'm perfectly content with it and would be if I was living in-state, as are the majority of my alum friends who live in-state.
You live in Georgia, correct ?
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:48 am to SummerOfGeorge
And hey, I actually agree overall about spending lots of money on non-academic things increasing tuition. It's a vicious cycle.
In my perfect world the schools wouldn't be building dorms, pools, etc. But that isn't the way the world works, and if you don't do those things you fall behind and you will eventually fall behind in academics as well.
In my perfect world the schools wouldn't be building dorms, pools, etc. But that isn't the way the world works, and if you don't do those things you fall behind and you will eventually fall behind in academics as well.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:50 am to SummerOfGeorge
I just know that most of the campus needed upgrades and construction didn't really start until we started raising the enrollment. I'm very pleased with how the University is going right now.
I just wish I could have used some of the new engineering buildings.
I just wish I could have used some of the new engineering buildings.
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:51 am to Irons Puppet
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You live in Georgia, correct ?
Yes - like I said - my opinion doesn't matter much in terms of the state spending because I am not a state resident. But my 100 friends and family who live in Tuscaloosa/Birmingham/Mobile do, and they all are very positive about what is going on in Tuscaloosa right now.
Like I said above, I do agree in general that the spiral of student debt and higher costs are ridiculous and spurned from spending on non-academic essentials, but that is the way the entire University system is run these days. If you don't keep up you fall behind. In a perfect world I wouldn't have a $50M rec center or dorms nicer than most condos, but it isn't a perfect world.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:57 am to SummerOfGeorge
Most everyone I know that lives in Tuscaloosa HATE the higher student enrollment because of the impact it has had on traffic and the number of apartment/condo buildings being built. Most are long term residents though and just pine for the days when Tuscaloosa was still a somewhat small town. They feel it has lost all of its small town charm.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:59 am to The Spleen
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Most everyone I know that lives in Tuscaloosa HATE the higher student enrollment because of the impact it has had on traffic and the number of apartment/condo buildings being built. Most are long term residents though and just pine for the days when Tuscaloosa was still a somewhat small town. They feel it has lost all of its small town charm.
I feel for them, but quite frankly Tuscaloosa was kind of a shite hole before. I know everyone loves their town, but there wasn't much to love about Tuscaloosa outside of the campus area and Downtown Northport across the River. I never thought of it as a neat old Southern town, I thought of it as kind of a dead small Southern city like Augusta or Macon.
I know they need to ramp up infrastructure to keep up with population, but the new Downtown Area is light years better than anything before.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:00 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Yes - like I said - my opinion doesn't matter much in terms of the state spending because I am not a state resident. But my 100 friends and family who live in Tuscaloosa/Birmingham/Mobile do, and they all are very positive about what is going on in Tuscaloosa right now. Like I said above, I do agree in general that the spiral of student debt and higher costs are ridiculous and spurned from spending on non-academic essentials, but that is the way the entire University system is run these days. If you don't keep up you fall behind. In a perfect world I wouldn't have a $50M rec center or dorms nicer than most condos, but it isn't a perfect world.
But the problem you and many others fail to see, the State Universities are not there to serve the egos and opinions of just the alumni. They are there to serve the citizens of the entire state (not the out of state citizens)and provide a quality education to its people at a reasonable cost. You do not see UGA opening their doors to educate Alabama citizens in high numbers. I doubt the State Legislature would provide funding to support 65% out of students.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:05 am to Irons Puppet
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You do not see UGA opening their doors to educate Alabama citizens in high numbers. I doubt the State Legislature would provide funding to support 65% out of students.
Sure - but Georgia (and Texas, and even Tennessee) has no problem meeting their goals of high achiever enrollees with just kids from the state. There are enough kids in Metro Atlanta alone to meet a high threshold, and outside of a very small populace at Georgia Tech, UGA is the only game in town.
Alabama wants to hit a certain threshold of high achieving students that they just can't find in Alabama. And, like was previously posted, they have still grown their in-state population and have more in-state kids than the other large in-state college does.
So, the infrastructural improvements have improved the educational value of the degree for 17,000 Alabamians (which is more than were in school 10 years ago). They are using out of state students tuition to help make that happen. There are more overall kids and in-state kids are a smaller % of the population, but spots at Alabama have not been taken away from in-state kids.
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:06 am to SummerOfGeorge
IN many ways it was, but I think it had quite a bit of charm, but I'm also biased as I spent some of my formidable years there in the 80's when it was still a relatively small town.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:13 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:There are a litany of reasons for the increased costs: from the employment and facility costs of meeting regulatory and employment requirements (ADA, ACA, IDEA, etc., etc.), to the decrease in legislative funding (UA is down to about 12% state funding, iirc). People don't want to pay taxes, or at least to use the taxes they do pay to support higher ed, so the university has to look elsewhere. LSU's current financial situation is an excellent example of the alternative.
Like I said above, I do agree in general that the spiral of student debt and higher costs are ridiculous and spurned from spending on non-academic essentials, but that is the way the entire University system is run these days. If you don't keep up you fall behind. In a perfect world I wouldn't have a $50M rec center or dorms nicer than most condos, but it isn't a perfect world.
The influx of students from different backgrounds has been monumental in terms of helping our instate student move beyond their provincialism. Plus, it puts UA grads in the employment markets of their home areas, which increases the overall profile of a UA degree. The downside is that many of the services and academic delivery options haven't grown in proportion to the students. My department, for example, has doubled the number of students we teach in the past 15, or so, years, but we haven't doubled the faculty positions, which isn't completely necessary, but some increase faculty numbers would be helpful and keep from shoving so much of the teaching load to grad students. In that regard, however, UA isn't much different than any other major institution.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:14 am to HarryBalzack
Amen Harry, well said.
The Greek issues alone that have been pushed through with the nudging of OOS kids has been worth it. Alabama kids didn't like it either, but sometimes you just need an outside voice to look around and say "WTF is this? This has to change" to push people into action.
The Greek issues alone that have been pushed through with the nudging of OOS kids has been worth it. Alabama kids didn't like it either, but sometimes you just need an outside voice to look around and say "WTF is this? This has to change" to push people into action.
This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 10:16 am
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