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re: Alabama folks: Tell me about Judy Bonner
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:17 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:17 am to SummerOfGeorge
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So, the infrastructural improvements have improved the educational value of the degree for 17,000 Alabamians (which is more than were in school 10 years ago). They are using out of state students tuition to help make that happen. There are more overall kids and in-state kids are a smaller % of the population, but spots at Alabama have not been taken away from in-state kids.
So how much of that out of state tuition is going toward Capital Improvements. My guess is it goes toward operational cost. I understand bringing in OOS to increase reportable numbers, but most of that is for PR purposes. How does it improve the quality of education for the 17K Alabamians. Larger classroom ? Higher tuition to build those dorms and classroons? Sitting next to a Merit Scholar doesn't make you smart.
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:20 am to Irons Puppet
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So how much of that out of state tuition is going toward Capital Improvements. My guess is it goes toward operational cost. I understand bringing in OOS to increase reportable numbers, but most of that is for PR purposes. How does it improve the quality of education for the 17K Alabamians. Larger classroom ? Higher tuition to build those dorms and classroons? Sitting next to a Merit Scholar doesn't make you smart
The campus buildings, classrooms, labs and other facilities are light years better than they were 20 years ago. Whether it be accessories in class for teachers, equipment, connectivity, etc, the improvements to structures on campus has changed the entire school. This has come from various sources, much of it stemming from Witt's initial campaign years ago, but my assumption is more kids has had an effect.
Those things have a pretty clear and direct effect on learning.
This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 10:22 am
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:21 am to HarryBalzack
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There are a litany of reasons for the increased costs: from the employment and facility costs of meeting regulatory and employment requirements (ADA, ACA, IDEA, etc., etc.), to the decrease in legislative funding (UA is down to about 12% state funding, iirc). People don't want to pay taxes, or at least to use the taxes they do pay to support higher ed, so the university has to look elsewhere. LSU's current financial situation is an excellent example of the alternative.
Blame the Legislature ?
Based on your figures the State is funding per student:
Alabama: $4105.00
Auburn: $6055.00
If they were only funding Alabama Citizens:
Alabama: $8320.00
Auburn: $9720.00
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:23 am to Irons Puppet
It improves the financials, which makes it easier to secure muni bonds that attractive to investors, along with small term loans to cover any gaps in funding for capital improvements. Better facilities attracts better students, which theoretically attracts better professors, which hopefully attracts endowments, research grants, etc. None of that makes the average student smarter, but the hope is it better prepares the average student for better jobs and/or graduate school placement upon graduation.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:24 am to SummerOfGeorge
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The campus buildings, classrooms, labs and other facilities are light years better than they were 20 years ago
Technology is light years better than 20 years ago. The truth is this technology saves money. So far, nobody has explain the huge increase in tuition.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:26 am to Irons Puppet
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Technology is light years better than 20 years ago. The truth is this technology saves money.
You realize 100 year old buildings have to be refitted to take advantage of those technologies, right?
That costs a lot of money.
All of my math buildings, Paty Hall, etc were not going to be able to take advantage of new teaching technologies in the current form in 2005. They had to be totally renovated on the interiors.
This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 10:32 am
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:28 am to Irons Puppet
quote:I'm not pissed and I have a current student about to enter their Jr. year at UA with another getting ready to enroll in 2 years.
We all should be pissed.
In fact I absolutely love the new academic buildings, student housing, and campus infrastructure that has developed since I was a student at UA. The campus is down right palatial now compared to my days in Paty Hall.
My first live in dorms freshman year - I bought a house on campus to house both of mine for the next 7 years and use the house for game weekends when the wife and I are in T'town. It's a 3 BR/3Bath and with 2 roommates the rental income covers the mortgage/maintenance, etc. A good investment IMO.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:31 am to Irons Puppet
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So far, nobody has explain the huge increase in tuition.
A few people have tried to, but you've either ignored them or refuted their explanation. Every major university has seen an increase in tuition, some more than others. Alabama took a strategy to go after more out of state students, while also increasing in state tuition. They took this strategy so they could upgrade a lot of the University that had become outdated. Buildings, grounds, dorms, faculty, etc. I don't know this for fact, but I'd guess a majority of the capital improvements have been funded by muni bonds they've been able to secure with better financials from increased tuition.
I graduated in 98, and I barely recognize some parts of campus that have been altered as part of this plan. It is mind blowing.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:31 am to The Spleen
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It improves the financials, which makes it easier to secure muni bonds that attractive to investors, along with small term loans to cover any gaps in funding for capital improvements. Better facilities attracts better students, which theoretically attracts better professors, which hopefully attracts endowments, research grants, etc. None of that makes the average student smarter, but the hope is it better prepares the average student for better jobs and/or graduate school placement upon graduation.
Great Company line. The real effect is:
Out of state students leaving the state after graduation.
Increase burden of local citizens due to strains on community services.
Parents of Alabama children having to go heavily in debt to pay for a college education.
Continue strain on State Education Budget due to lobbing of these Universities. Trickle down effect on Elementary and Secondary Education in the state.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:33 am to Irons Puppet
I actually agree with all those, and I also think we are both right in the effect.
I've long been critical of this strategy UA has taken. I think it's grown too large, too fast, and it's been to the detriment of in state students.
I've long been critical of this strategy UA has taken. I think it's grown too large, too fast, and it's been to the detriment of in state students.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:34 am to Irons Puppet
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Parents of Alabama children having to go heavily in debt to pay for a college education.
Purely their choice.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:35 am to RT1941
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I'm not pissed and I have a current student about to enter their Jr. year at UA with another getting ready to enroll in 2 years. In fact I absolutely love the new academic buildings, student housing, and campus infrastructure that has developed since I was a student at UA. The campus is down right palatial now compared to my days in Paty Hall. My first live in dorms freshman year - I bought a house on campus to house both of mine for the next 7 years and use the house for game weekends when the wife and I are in T'town. It's a 3 BR/3Bath and with 2 roommates the rental income covers the mortgage/maintenance, etc. A good investment IMO.
On the backs of all those citizens who pay taxes on their less than $50K household income, who could never afford to send the children to college or buy a second house, much less a first one. I love the "I got mine, frick you" attitude.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:36 am to The Spleen
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I think it's grown too large, too fast, and it's been to the detriment of in state students.
I do think it grew too fast, but only because they didn't have everything ready for the incoming students.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:37 am to The Spleen
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I've long been critical of this strategy UA has taken. I think it's grown too large, too fast, and it's been to the detriment of in state students.
I feel the same way about AU.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:40 am to Irons Puppet
Why do they have to attend either Alabama or Auburn?
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:40 am to Irons Puppet
quote:That's bullshite! If parent's don't want to go into debt to send their kids to Alabama or Auburn then there are much more affordable alternatives in this state for their child to get a 4 yr degree. Example: There is absolutely nothing wrong with sending a kid to Troy University were tuition is half the price of UA/AU and Troy gives full ride scholarships for much lower ACT grades than either UA or AU.
Parents of Alabama children having to go heavily in debt to pay for a college education.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:45 am to Irons Puppet
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I'm not pissed and I have a current student about to enter their Jr. year at UA with another getting ready to enroll in 2 years. In fact I absolutely love the new academic buildings, student housing, and campus infrastructure that has developed since I was a student at UA. The campus is down right palatial now compared to my days in Paty Hall. My first live in dorms freshman year - I bought a house on campus to house both of mine for the next 7 years and use the house for game weekends when the wife and I are in T'town. It's a 3 BR/3Bath and with 2 roommates the rental income covers the mortgage/maintenance, etc. A good investment IMO.
quote:If the total household income is less than $50,000 then they should qualify for Pell Grants, etc. If the kid is really smart, carries a +3.5 GPA and has high ACT scores then some colleges will actually "pay" them to go to school.
On the backs of all those citizens who pay taxes on their less than $50K household income, who could never afford to send the children to college or buy a second house, much less a first one. I love the "I got mine, frick you" attitude.
There are other alternatives to gaining an education in the state of Alabama. AU & UA aren't for every family financially, but that's doesn't mean schools like JaxSt or Troy aren't a fine alternative.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:50 am to RT1941
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quote:Parents of Alabama children having to go heavily in debt to pay for a college education. That's bullshite! If parent's don't want to go into debt to send their kids to Alabama or Auburn then there are much more affordable alternatives in this state for their child to get a 4 yr degree. Example: There is absolutely nothing wrong with sending a kid to Troy University were tuition is half the price of UA/AU and Troy gives full ride scholarships for much lower ACT grades than either UA or AU.
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 10:53 am to Irons Puppet
Imagine that. It's $10k less to go to Troy and live on campus. And that's without any scholarships.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 11:01 am to pvilleguru
quote:A great alternative IMHO! They also have lower standards to qualify for scholarship money. If the total household income is less than $50,000 the student will qualify for grants.
Imagine that. It's $10k less to go to Troy and live on campus. And that's without any scholarships.
Hell looking at Puppets link, I think Columbia South University is a damn bargain AND it's in Orange Beach!
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