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Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:19 am to
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:19 am to
Yes it is. I'm not sure what is tripping you up though, so let me assist. Daisha's sixth year would be given to her as a graduate student, meaning she is a graduate student in her fifth year and sits out, and she gets a sixth year. Sterling got a sixth year to BE a graduate student (the same appears to be true for both of the other links as well). All are compelling, but Daisha's is different.

The reason Daisha's situation is so rare is because graduate students generally qualify for a play immediately waiver. So no one has to sit out unless their school is run by a bunch of petulant children who would punish a girl with a sick brother.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 11:24 am
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:24 am to
ESRD means that the kidneys are shutting down; not that the child is dying. He will eventually need dialysis and probably go on a transplant list. I am sure Seton Hall is expensive and am not sure what a scholarship in women's bb is worth but Alabama is being kind of selfish but in reality, they are not keeping her there. She is free to go whenever she is ready. Not sure why a team would want a player that doesn't want to be there but again, she is free to go.
Posted by Bryant91092
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:28 am to
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The reason Daisha's situation is so rare is because graduate students generally qualify for a play immediately waiver


That's the case unless they've already transferred once. Don't graduate transfers that have already transferred once face problems anyways before you consider family issues?
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15391 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:29 am to
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Yes it is. I'm not sure what is tripping you up though, so let me assist. Daisha's sixth year would be given to her as a graduate student, meaning she is a graduate student in her fifth year and sits out, and she gets a sixth year. Sterling got a sixth year to BE a graduate student (the same appears to be true for both of the other links as well). All are compelling, but Daisha's is different.

The reason Daisha's situation is so rare is because graduate students generally qualify for a play immediately waiver. So no one has to sit out unless their school is run by a bunch of petulant children who would punish a girl with a sick brother.


LOL. You are causing a breeze backtracking so fast and moving goal posts. You said

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So the case resulting in a sixth year of eligibility for a graduate student--which mind you, is the first of its kind--doesn't strike you as "unique."


Which is patently false. You have been wrong on so many things. Just admit it
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25094 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:30 am to
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they are not keeping her there. She is free to go whenever she is ready.


Daisha: So, I can go to school for free near my family and finish out my basketball career.

Alabama: Nah. First, just to be clear, you absolutely can't get your MBA at Alabama. We don't want you and won't help you get in. Now that that's clear, you also can't go and play at another school you might get in to. You'll have to stay at that school for two more years, and hope that they will extend you a scholarship in the interim and the NCAA will grant you a sixth year of eligibility. But, you're free to go. I don't see why you're bitching about that. Do whatever you want. The decision is really easy. No one is holding a gun to your head.

clutches gun and waives it around, occasionally pointing it at her

See it isn't being held to your head.

Yeah, totally fair. Why would anyone be disturbed by this?
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 11:31 am
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30208 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:30 am to
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That's the case unless they've already transferred once. Don't graduate transfers that have already transferred once face problems anyways before you consider family issues?
Didn't she already transfer from Rutgers to Bama?
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15391 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:30 am to
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She is free to go whenever she is ready. Not sure why a team would want a player that doesn't want to be there but again, she is free to go.



Absolutely she is free to go. She can also appeal for a medical hardship for immediate playing time. She has not done that.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25094 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:32 am to
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StopRobot


My goodness, I thought you were just mistaken, but I'm afraid I've gotten tangled with someone who is stupid. Have fun arguing with yourself. I'm sure you'll convince yourself of something.

You should at least try to be right about something in this thread though, instead of repeatedly demonstrably wrong.
Posted by Bryant91092
Member since Dec 2009
24483 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:33 am to
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Didn't she already transfer from Rutgers to Bama?



Yes
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30208 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:33 am to
quote:

Daisha: So, I can go to school for free near my family and finish out my basketball career.

Alabama: Nah. First, just to be clear, you absolutely can't get your MBA at Alabama. We don't want you and won't help you get in. Now that that's clear, you also can't go and play at another school you might get in to. You'll have to stay at that school for two more years, and hope that they will extend you a scholarship in the interim and the NCAA will grant you a sixth year of eligibility. But, you're free to go. I don't see why you're bitching about that. Do whatever you want. The decision is really easy. No one is holding a gun to your head.

clutches gun and waives it around, occasionally pointing it at her

See it isn't being held to your head.

Yeah, totally fair. Why would anyone be disturbed by this?
The NCAA has denied her twice, right?
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25094 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:34 am to
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The NCAA has denied her twice, right?


Sort of. She was denied because Alabama opposed her waiver. She needed Bama's written consent, which until today, they were withholding to teach a girl with a degree and a sick brother a lesson about, I guess, something.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 11:35 am
Posted by Bryant91092
Member since Dec 2009
24483 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:35 am to
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First, just to be clear, you absolutely can't get your MBA at Alabama.


Because she didn't qualify for the program. I'm assuming she didn't make a 600 or above on her GMAT.

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We don't want you and won't help you get in

They wanted to place her in a sport's management or marketing graduate program, which has lower requirements.

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You'll have to stay at that school for two more years

That's a given seeing as the MBA program is two years. If that's what she was most interested in, it shouldn't matter what year she was eligible. It'd take two years to graduate regardless.
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15391 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:36 am to
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You should at least try to be right about something in this thread though, instead of repeatedly demonstrably wrong.


Couple of gems by Rick now that is backtracking:

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but whatever it was, was enough that the NCAA granted her the waiver pending Alabama's consent.


Incorrect. The NCAA never granted her a waiver

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Also, the proof was significant enough that the NCAA was going to grant a sixth year student an additional year because Bama wouldn't relent.


Incorrect. The issue is immediate eligibility. She would have been eligible next year because Bama released her from her scholarship. Family hardship would not have mattered.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25094 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:37 am to
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That's a given seeing as the MBA program is two years. If that's what she was most interested in, it shouldn't matter what year she was eligible. It'd take two years to graduate regardless.



You don't think it matters sitting out a year playing a collegiate sport? Also, Seton Hall has an 18 month program.

Also, plenty of schools have one year MBA programs (Cornell and Florida for two).
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 11:39 am
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15391 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:40 am to
quote:

Sort of. She was denied because Alabama opposed her waiver. She needed Bama's written consent, which until today, they were withholding to teach a girl with a degree and a sick brother a lesson about, I guess, something.


Sick edit bro!!!!! First you said that no, the NCAA had allowed it but Bama blocked it. But you did a 180 jump shot and flipped that to they needed Bama's consent which the NCAA says is a "guideline" not a requirement. Well played
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:41 am to
It's a process.

Hers is not complete.
Posted by Bryant91092
Member since Dec 2009
24483 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:42 am to
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Also, Seton Hall has an 18 month program


So it's going to take more than one academic year to complete.

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Also, plenty of schools have one year MBA programs (Cornell and Florida for two).


I'm glad that applies to Alabama and Seton Hall.
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You don't think it matters sitting out a year playing a collegiate sport?


The first excuse she used was that she needed to make money for her family. By sitting out this season, she would have been able to immediately help with that by getting a job and working on her MBA. Then the next year she could focus on basketball and finishing up her MBA.

This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 11:44 am
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25094 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:43 am to
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The first excuse she used was that she needed to make money for her family. By sitting out this season, she would have been able to immediately help with that by getting a job and working on her MBA. Then the next year she could focus on basketball and finishing up her MBA.



So you do or you don't think it matters, just to be clear?
Posted by Bryant91092
Member since Dec 2009
24483 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:45 am to
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So you do or you don't think it matters, just to be clear?



Do I think it matters whether she's immediately eligible or not? If this was strictly about athletics, which she claims it not to be, then yes it would hurt her to not be immediately eligible.

If this is truly about her family situation and the need for her to make money, then I think it would be better for her to not be eligible and have more time devoted to working.
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15391 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:46 am to
Watching therick711 twist and turn himself into knots was thoroughly enjoyable but alas the point has been proven.

Rick in action

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