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Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:23 am to The Spleen
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:23 am to The Spleen
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It's a new staff. There are always defections and sour grapes from players when a new coaching staff comes in.
Yep. The only reason it is a story is because Alabama acted ridiculous in blocking a transfer. If defections happen all the time and the staff expected and even wanted attrition (as some have suggested), it doesn't explain why they would stop Simmons from transferring when she qualified for two separate waivers. That's the issue, and that's why there are problems at the top.
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:25 am to therick711
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I'd be surprised if the other players who were cut "weren't bitter"
Emily Davis isn't. She's happily at Auburn where she wanted to go out of highschool. I think both Rawls and Hunter still go to Bama. Not positive though.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:25 am to Bryant91092
Simmons had told the Alabama staff 6 months before the cuts that she was considering leaving the program. Unless you have a reason to dispute that account, you should probably just have a conversation and quit acting like a self-righteous idiot who is easily controverted by the facts available to those that can read.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:27 am to therick711
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The only reason it is a story is because Alabama acted ridiculous in blocking a transfer.
and the only reason they blocked it was because she refused to provide proof of the medical hardship and she kept changing her story about what she wanted to do.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:27 am to therick711
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Simmons had told the Alabama staff 6 months
She told the staff in April that she was coming back. The other cuts happened in April as well. She also signed a lease and participated in the first few offseason workouts with the Alabama team.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:29 am to therick711
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It's the Alabama women's program. Their best team in 12 years finished 10th in the conference and 7-9.
That may be, but Tide has a Final Four from 1994 sandwiched between the Auburn ones and the Arkansas one. LSU has solid history as well. Texas A&M joining the west just upped the competition.
Listening to Slive talk the past several years and you can see decided impetus to get more visibility for women's spots in the SEC. How hard is it to see the Tide not wanting to get better over the next decade? Gymnastics, Softball, and Rowing are all women's sports at Alabama.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:29 am to Bryant91092
She told the staff 6 months before the cuts that she was considering not coming back because she didn't get in the MBA program. No one from the school has said that isn't true. You are right about what happened in April, but the point is that Alabama wasn't blind-sided by this incident in May. They knew her situation going back to the December before. That's all I'm saying.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:31 am to StopRobot
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and the only reason they blocked it was because she refused to provide proof of the medical hardship and she kept changing her story about what she wanted to do.
Apparently, that might not be true. Lyons may have been hedging. Obviously this part of the story is still developing, but by way of information:
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:31 am to therick711
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She told the staff 6 months before the cuts that she was considering not coming back because she didn't get in the MBA program. No one from the school has said that isn't true. You are right about what happened in April, but the point is that Alabama wasn't blind-sided by this incident in May. They knew her situation going back to the December before. That's all I'm saying.
Simmons averaged 13.8 points and 5.4 rebounds per game last season for UA. Curry expected her to return for her senior season. "She did not indicate that she wanted a transfer," Curry said. "She even attended the first couple of days of offseason workouts. Obviously, with the minutes she played and the impact she had on our team we expected her back and wanted her to come back. There were not extraordinary disciplinary issues with her." The coach said Simmons had an issue with a team rule that current players cannot live with former players. Her desire to transfer, the coach said, came after that issue arose. "Not one time during the season did she indicate that she wanted to transfer," Curry said. "Then she became upset with the housing policy. I think there was a culture in place at this program (before Curry arrived in May, 2013) where the discipline was different. It was an adjustment period for our team. But I was clear that we would not change our policy." Simmons' desire to transfer because she was not accepted into UA's master of business administration degree program or because of family medical issues, Curry said, were never mentioned until after the player expressed problems with the housing issue. - See more at: LINK
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:33 am to StopRobot
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Simmons averaged 13.8 points and 5.4 rebounds per game last season for UA. Curry expected her to return for her senior season. "She did not indicate that she wanted a transfer," Curry said. "She even attended the first couple of days of offseason workouts. Obviously, with the minutes she played and the impact she had on our team we expected her back and wanted her to come back. There were not extraordinary disciplinary issues with her." The coach said Simmons had an issue with a team rule that current players cannot live with former players. Her desire to transfer, the coach said, came after that issue arose. "Not one time during the season did she indicate that she wanted to transfer," Curry said. "Then she became upset with the housing policy. I think there was a culture in place at this program (before Curry arrived in May, 2013) where the discipline was different. It was an adjustment period for our team. But I was clear that we would not change our policy." Simmons' desire to transfer because she was not accepted into UA's master of business administration degree program or because of family medical issues, Curry said, were never mentioned until after the player expressed problems with the housing issue. - See more at: LINK
I'll be interested to see if any documentation refutes this claim as the documentation I've seen has already contradicted Lyons' account of what happened.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:34 am to therick711
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Apparently, that might not be true. Lyons may have been hedging. Obviously this part of the story is still developing, but by way of information:
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Incorrect. I said she did not provide proof of the medical hardship. That letter is not proof. Alabama said she started talking about wanting a medical hardship in early June but would not provide the proof
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:36 am to StopRobot
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Incorrect. I said she did not provide proof of the medical hardship. That letter is not proof. Alabama said she started talking about wanting a medical hardship in early June but would not provide the proof
The reporting states that Lyons was telling reporters that "no one knew about her family's medical situation." That statement and your point are two different things. Lyons appears to be absolutely incorrect about that. I have no idea what proof was proffered, but whatever it was, was enough that the NCAA granted her the waiver pending Alabama's consent. Also, the proof was significant enough that the NCAA was going to grant a sixth year student an additional year because Bama wouldn't relent.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:38 am to therick711
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The only reason it is a story is because Alabama acted ridiculous in blocking a transfer.
I think both sides acted ridiculous, but totally get why Alabama gets the bigger black eye and I can't really argue that. But let's not act like Simmons told the staff from day one she wanted a transfer to be closer to her sick brother. That issue didn't come up until midway through the process.
I wholeheartedly agree the University handled this very poorly, and should have supported her waiver process, but I think both sides share some blame in it.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:41 am to therick711
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The reporting states that Lyons was telling reporters that "no one knew about her family's medical situation."
Yes. It depends on when you are talking about
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Lyons appears to be absolutely incorrect about that.
About what? What did Lyons specifically say and when did she say it?
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I have no idea what proof was proffered,
None was proffered
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but whatever it was, was enough that the NCAA granted her the waiver pending Alabama's consent.
Incorrect. The NCAA never granted her a waiver
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Also, the proof was significant enough that the NCAA was going to grant a sixth year student an additional year because Bama wouldn't relent.
Incorrect. The issue is immediate eligibility. She would have been eligible next year because Bama released her from her scholarship. Family hardship would not have mattered.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:47 am to StopRobot
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ncorrect. The NCAA never granted her a waiver
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Also, the proof was significant enough that the NCAA was going to grant a sixth year student an additional year because Bama wouldn't relent.
Incorrect. The issue is immediate eligibility. She would have been eligible next year because Bama released her from her scholarship. Family hardship would not have mattered.
I wouldn't be so sure of that.
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Last week of May/First week of June 2014: Simmons visits both Seton Hall and St. John's. She chose Seton Hall because they had her MBA program and a special Inner City Kid program that helped kids like her get admitted into their graduate programs.
After Daisha commits, it was realized that she did not receive a full release, but only permission to contact. Once her lawyers sent another letter to Alabama, about a month later, Simmons finally received her Non-Renewal Letter in the mail, but still not a release.
She then sends her case to the NCAA, and received an answer that she has to sit out this year but can play next year because this is the most unique case the NCAA has ever seen, but since Alabama does not support the waiver the NCAA will not overrule them. This is the first time the NCAA has ever granted a sixth-year for a graduate student.
Simmons appealed this waiver to a different NCAA committee because she wants to play this last year and then pursue a professional career or enter the work force to help support her family, and again she was denied by the NCAA.
Seton Hall offered to allow her to come back and take classes on a part-time basis to finish her MBA after she completes her eligibility.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:47 am to therick711
quote:Why are you so vested in this?
therick711
Posted on 10/8/14 at 10:51 am to RT1941
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Why are you so vested in this?
I'm neither "vested" nor invested in this. I find it interesting. As to the why take your choice of the following:
Schools shouldn't get to veto transfers for students who qualify for waivers.
People with sick families deserve sympathy, not scorn.
Daisha is my blood-sister.
The NCAA's rules are evil and allow morally bankrupt institutions to perpetrate evil on students under the guise of protecting the integrity of the system.
Students who are seeking to get additional education should not be prohibited by a school that will not admit them from doing so.
Posters shouldn't be allowed to lie when the facts clearly either contradict them or call into question their understanding of the situation.
I have right on my side.
It is more proof that Alabama fans will support anything their school does, no matter how indefensible.
I am the coach of the Tennessee Lady Vols.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 11:06 am
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:00 am to therick711
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Last week of May/First week of June 2014: Simmons visits both Seton Hall and St. John's. She chose Seton Hall because they had her MBA program and a special Inner City Kid program that helped kids like her get admitted into their graduate programs.
After Daisha commits, it was realized that she did not receive a full release, but only permission to contact. Once her lawyers sent another letter to Alabama, about a month later, Simmons finally received her Non-Renewal Letter in the mail, but still not a release.
She then sends her case to the NCAA, and received an answer that she has to sit out this year but can play next year because this is the most unique case the NCAA has ever seen, but since Alabama does not support the waiver the NCAA will not overrule them. This is the first time the NCAA has ever granted a sixth-year for a graduate student.
Simmons appealed this waiver to a different NCAA committee because she wants to play this last year and then pursue a professional career or enter the work force to help support her family, and again she was denied by the NCAA.
Seton Hall offered to allow her to come back and take classes on a part-time basis to finish her MBA after she completes her eligibility.
I know who wrote that and he is incorrect. I mean do you really think the NCAA is going to send a letter to a student stating that "its the most unique case the NCAA has ever seen?" I mean come on. The NCAA says a letter for immediate eligibility, from the transfer school, is a guideline, not a requirement.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 11:02 am
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:03 am to StopRobot
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I know who wrote that and he is incorrect. I mean do you really think the NCAA is going to send a letter to a student stating that "its the most unique case the NCAA has ever seen?" I mean come on.
So the case resulting in a sixth year of eligibility for a graduate student--which mind you, is the first of its kind--doesn't strike you as "unique."
Not to mention, nowhere is it stated that the response was or was not in letter form. It just says that was the response she received.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 11:05 am
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:16 am to therick711
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