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Posted on 8/22/13 at 3:21 pm to DawgsLife
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Doesn't that say more about the team, than Aaron Murray?
In some cases, yes. But that can work both ways, sort of like Murray's win last year against Florida. It counts as one of his 2 wins against SEC ranked opponents, but he hurt the team much more than helped with 3 ints.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 3:21 pm to Bamaboy02
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When it comes to QB’s I believe team accomplishments does make a difference imo, they are the leader of team, and employers would like to know there QB has lead a team to accomplish something in the past...I don’t believe Cam Newton would have been drafted #1 if auburn didn’t go to the NC that year.
Sooo....in your world, Brad Johnson is a better quarterback than Dan Marino, since Marino never won a Super Bowl, and Brad Johnson did?
Or
Doug Williams
Jim Plunkett
Jeff Hostetler
Trent Dilfer
Phil Simms
Jim McMahon
Joe Theisman
These guys were better than Dan Marino?
Posted on 8/22/13 at 3:23 pm to WG_Dawg
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You'd think, but it doesn't fit his argument. Just like the defense carried David Greene to be the all time winningest QB in NCAA history upon graduating, it's also been the downfall of many losses during Murray's tenure.
That is just all qbs across the board. When AJ loses, it isn't his fault. When they win, it is because how great that offensive line was and the great running game.
The qb gets all the blame, and wins are teams efforts.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 3:23 pm to Indfanfromcol
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In some cases, yes. But that can work both ways, sort of like Murray's win last year against Florida
I agree with you, my point is it should be uniform. People shouldnt' pick out whether they're going to praise/belittle the team or the QB based on what argument they want. It should be either/or.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 3:24 pm to WG_Dawg
Shake the haters, bruh
Posted on 8/22/13 at 3:24 pm to hg
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Shake the haters, bruh
I do it on the daily
Posted on 8/22/13 at 3:26 pm to WG_Dawg
Yeah, we are on the same page for the most part on that. I just don't think it is just with Murray though, it is the same with most qbs.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 3:26 pm to Indfanfromcol
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In some cases, yes. But that can work both ways, sort of like Murray's win last year against Florida.
Absolutely. I have no problem with that logic. You have to look at the complete body of work. I mean, people wanting to belittle Murray because eh put up big numbers against Nebraska last year? Of course, they never checked to see that Nebraska had the #4 ranked passing defense in the nation.
Hey, I am as amazed as anybody they named Murray. But,, these are preseason. IF Georgia has a fairy tale season and wins the Natty, he will be named the ALL SEC QB. If not, he will probably drift away and none of you will have to worry about it. I'm shocked that so many Bama fans even care. I thought you guys were a team oriented bunch.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 3:29 pm to WG_Dawg
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So if instead of beating bama by 1 they lost by a touchdown, Carolina would've changed their minds?
Yes, Von Miller would be a Carolina Panther...even with Cam winning the heisman and an NC, he still wasn’t the clear cut favorite to be drafted #1 by a lot of mock drafts...lets say he didn’t win the heisman or the NC (fits aaron murray category nothing really accomplished) would he have been the #1 QB selected? imo NO! accomplishments at the QB position is a big deal imo.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 3:29 pm to Indfanfromcol
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That is just all qbs across the board. When AJ loses, it isn't his fault.
Well....sometimes it IS the QB's fault and it IS a win because of the QB. It all depends on how he plays. But some people on here want to throw out statistics. It all works together. You can't throw records out OR stats. They ALL work together. I think McCarron's problem is he is surrounded by so much talent, he doesn't get the credit he deserves. Murray is just the opposite.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 3:32 pm to DawgsLife
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Sooo....in your world, Brad Johnson is a better quarterback than Dan Marino, since Marino never won a Super Bowl, and Brad Johnson did?
Or
Doug Williams
Jim Plunkett
Jeff Hostetler
Trent Dilfer
Phil Simms
Jim McMahon
Joe Theisman
These guys were better than Dan Marino?
Were talking college ball right?
Posted on 8/22/13 at 3:34 pm to Bamaboy02
Posted on 8/22/13 at 3:35 pm to Bamaboy02
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es, Von Miller would be a Carolina Panther
Not by a long shot. Carolina had Jimmy Clausen as their QB in 2010. They were DEFINITELY taking a QB with their first pick, and when they had to choose between Newton or Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder....well....Cam Newton was going to be the #1 pick of that draft whether Auburn had won the Natty, or not.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 3:44 pm to DawgsLife
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Not by a long shot. Carolina had Jimmy Clausen as their QB in 2010. They were DEFINITELY taking a QB with their first pick, and when they had to choose between Newton or Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder....well....Cam Newton was going to be the #1 pick of that draft whether Auburn had won the Natty, or not.
I agree, BUT the reason why Cam Newton separated himself from those other QB’s was his accomplishments on the field...when auburn went 5-0 ppl started to notice, at 8-0 he really started to get attention, 11-0 heading into the bama he was the leader...if he was a 7-5 QB they probably would have taken Jake Locker.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 4:59 pm to Bamaboy02
The Georgia fans love to throw out "Stats" but other than raw yardage the performance stats all tilt in AJ's favor as well. TD/INT ratio, YPA, Passing Efficiency.
And the BS about McCarron playing with talent, are people trying to say UGA isn't as talented?
And the BS about McCarron playing with talent, are people trying to say UGA isn't as talented?
Posted on 8/22/13 at 5:15 pm to Libertyabides71
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The Georgia fans love to throw out "Stats" but other than raw yardage the performance stats all tilt in AJ's favor as well. TD/INT ratio, YPA, Passing Efficiency.
TD/Int ratio...AJ 31/3(.9/100)...Murray 37/11(2.6/100)...AJ wins...
YPA...AJ 9.3ypa... Murray 10.0 ypa(almost a yd. more/att.) ...Murray wins...
QB Rating...AJ 174.3... Murray 172.8... toss-up...
This post was edited on 8/22/13 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 8/22/13 at 5:34 pm to dallasga6
Am I seeing people laud the Nebraska Defense, playing them right off of a 70-31 loss to Wisconsin, as well as a 63-38 loss to tOSU?
Those 2 didn't pass the ball on Nebraska, when all they had to do was Run the Ball to Win.
Those 2 didn't pass the ball on Nebraska, when all they had to do was Run the Ball to Win.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 5:46 pm to LoneMDG
quote:Why are you addressing me?? Maybe you should address a UGA fan who "lauded Nebraska"... Feel free to ask if you need info on how to direct a question the proper poster...TIA...
Am I seeing people laud the Nebraska Defense,
This post was edited on 8/22/13 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 8/22/13 at 6:42 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
Its not about the winningest, its about the 4,000 yd passer.
I Remember back to 1982 or 83, Kurt Page at vandy was the all-SEC 1st team. I think Vandy won 8 in 82 and 1 or 2 in 83. ANyway, he beat out Alan Risher, Walter Lewis, Randy Campbell, Buck Belue, Wayne Peace and Kent Austin. Unreal.
I Remember back to 1982 or 83, Kurt Page at vandy was the all-SEC 1st team. I think Vandy won 8 in 82 and 1 or 2 in 83. ANyway, he beat out Alan Risher, Walter Lewis, Randy Campbell, Buck Belue, Wayne Peace and Kent Austin. Unreal.
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