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re: A response to Tenn Stud's appearance on Finebaum
Posted on 4/16/15 at 12:29 pm to auburnphan23
Posted on 4/16/15 at 12:29 pm to auburnphan23
quote:Mike Dubose was inept in damn near every facet of operating/managing/coaching a program of Alabama's magnitude. He had no idea how to handle boosters or any other component of a big time football program.
Finebaum used to have Jim Donnan on his show a few years ago. Don't know if he still does or not. Donnan stated on Finebaum's show that a group of SEC coaches told DuBose to his face they were going to turn him if he didn't do something to get Bama's recruiting under control. I actually heard Donnan make that statement live
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 12:30 pm to RollTide1987
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Mike DuBose had neither the will nor the competence to bring our boosters under control in regards to recruiting. The man loved Alabama football. There is no question about that. But he knew jack about coaching a big time program.
Bama did need someone with a strong hand to hold the boosters at bay, and Dubose wasn't that kind of coach. Could you imagine them doing something that would put them in jeopardy of the Death Penalty today? Saban would send their butts to the bottom of Holt Lake with concrete galoshes.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 12:31 pm to auburnphan23
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Finebaum used to have Jim Donnan on his show a few years ago. Don't know if he still does or not. Donnan stated on Finebaum's show that a group of SEC coaches told DuBose to his face they were going to turn him if he didn't do something to get Bama's recruiting under control. I actually heard Donnan make that statement live
Bama's problems related to the NCAA and the Means case stem directly from absolute clusterfrick of a decision to hire Mike Dubose.
Again, you love to beat the "Bammer cheats" drum but I can assure you that when Saban came in, the law was absolutely laid down to the booster community both publically and very much in private. Bama has paid very dearly for its boosters' behaviors and no one wants to return to that era.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 12:32 pm to madmaxvol
quote:Quite frankly, at this point in Saban's "process", other boosters would send the rouge's to sleep with the fishes. I think the Bama boosters know how to self police themselves these days. Lesson learned from the past Dubose debacle.
Bama did need someone with a strong hand to hold the boosters at bay, and Dubose wasn't that kind of coach. Could you imagine them doing something that would put them in jeopardy of the Death Penalty today? Saban would send their butts to the bottom of Holt Lake with concrete galoshes.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 12:58 pm to auburnphan23
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TennStud is an American hero. One of the few people that was able to slow down the bammer cheating machine at least temporarily. It is laughable that bammers complain about him when their coaches and fans were scheming to get Auburn on probation as far back as the 1950's.
Gene Jelks says, "Hi."
Posted on 4/16/15 at 1:06 pm to StringedInstruments
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Cliffs:
- Boosters were in a bidding war for players. One namely being Albert Means.
- Roy Adams, a Tennessee booster who loved message boards, lost to Logan Young in a bidding war for Albert Means.
- Roy Adams decided to tattle-tale on Alabama to the NCAA. He included his tattle-tales online, so everyone knew exactly where the NCAA was getting the dirt on Alabama. Phil Fulmer helped.
- NCAA arse blasts Alabama for their transgressions against the Holy Rulebook.
- Alabama fans decide that because Roy Adams told on them and that because the NCAA didn't find out on their own, that they didn't really do anything wrong. (Gump Logic 101)
- Roy Adams continued to talk shite online about scandals in the SEC bidding wars. No one really gave a shite. In 2009(ish), he began talking like he had real dirt on Alabama again and some people's ears perked up. Nothing came of it.
- Roy Adams disappears for a few years because who gives a shite about a rich old man with nothing but conjecture?
- Roy Adams goes on Finebaum to regain whatever spotlight he had in the past
This, with the addition, that the H.S. coaches involved, testified under Federal oath that other schools bid or provided money to them for Means as well, including, but not limited to Arkansas, Tennessee and Kentucky. No investigation was opened on those schools by the NCAA. That's the only gripe I had. It was a conspiracy to nail Bama, and only Bama. Roy Kramer now resides back in his hometown of Tenn.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 1:19 pm to Alahunter
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No investigation was opened on those schools by the NCAA. That's the only gripe I had. It was a conspiracy to nail Bama, and only Bama. Roy Kramer now resides back in his hometown of Tenn.
That bothered me quite a bit, back in the day. They had courtroom testimony that several other schools paid to get a visit from Means, and were in on the bidding.
But you know what? Nobody wants to hear complaining when you're guilty but you get punished too hard. And getting rid of the cheaters, along with returning to the top of college football, has helped me get over it.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 1:41 pm to madmaxvol
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“(Another) thing that was not told to (the press) is that the Albert Means violation was not reported by the University of Tennessee,” Wilson said, “but by the University of Arkansas. ...
“All of these facts totally refuted the UT conspiracy in the case.”
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I just wanna highlight this because it's been overlooked for too long.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 1:43 pm to Prof
I'll be on Finebaum today between 4 - 5:30 pm (Central).
What should I talk about?
Seriously, give me some talking points. The more rustle the better.
What should I talk about?
Seriously, give me some talking points. The more rustle the better.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 1:44 pm to antibarner
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My response? No. Not until you confess what you are asking forgiveness for. Tell it all Roy, confession is good for the soul.
Yall frickin cheated and were caught. Plain and simple.
fricking Alabama fans, man.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:11 pm to cas4t
I agree that Bama got caught, but no fricking way 10rc should come away clean from this. They were outbid for Means and then the little bitches turned Bama in. Everybody knows Fulmer snitched to the NCAA.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:28 pm to bigDgator
Bama folks perfected the process of turning in evidence to the NCAA for immunity for themselves. When Bama Boosters stopped the Cold War by setting up Twilleta and Eric, Auburn fronted Jean Jelks.
Both Bama (jelks) 1995 and Auburn (Ramsey) 1993 were guilty, but both schools got into a pissing contest and both lost. Bama went on to be on probation for football two more times. Since then Bama has had 2002 (staring down the barrel of the death penalty, and 2009 (text gate). Auburn has been born again and has not been placed on probation.
Other schools, (Last 30 years)
MSU 2013, 2004, 1996
Tennessee 2012, 1991, 1986
USC east 2012, 2005
LSU 2011, 1986
ARKIE 2003
Kentucky 2002
Georgia 1997, 1985
Ole Miss 1994, 1986
Florida 1990, 1985
TAMU 1998, 1994,
Both Bama (jelks) 1995 and Auburn (Ramsey) 1993 were guilty, but both schools got into a pissing contest and both lost. Bama went on to be on probation for football two more times. Since then Bama has had 2002 (staring down the barrel of the death penalty, and 2009 (text gate). Auburn has been born again and has not been placed on probation.
Other schools, (Last 30 years)
MSU 2013, 2004, 1996
Tennessee 2012, 1991, 1986
USC east 2012, 2005
LSU 2011, 1986
ARKIE 2003
Kentucky 2002
Georgia 1997, 1985
Ole Miss 1994, 1986
Florida 1990, 1985
TAMU 1998, 1994,
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:55 pm to allin2010
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When Bama Boosters stopped the Cold War by setting up Twilleta and Eric, Auburn fronted Jean Jelks.
That is such fricking horseshite.....Bama had nothing to do with Eric Ramsey. Auburn on the other hand hads everything to do with Jelks.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 4:47 pm to 14&Counting
quote:This is true, but the mastermind behind the entire shitshow was Neil Callaway. Mike was too stupid to pour piss out of a boot, but Neil had just enough sense to be dangerous. I know this for a fact...first hand.
Bama's problems related to the NCAA and the Means case stem directly from absolute clusterfrick of a decision to hire Mike Dubose.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 4:52 pm to coachcrisp
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Bama's problems related to the NCAA and the Means case stem directly from absolute clusterfrick of a decision to hire Mike Dubose.
quote:You named the name.........
This is true, but the mastermind behind the entire shitshow was Neil Callaway. Mike was too stupid to pour piss out of a boot, but Neil had just enough sense to be dangerous. I know this for a fact...first hand.
Callaway started coaching with Pat Dye at ECU - followed Dye to Wyoming - followed Dye to AU....
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 4:57 pm to bigDgator
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I agree that Bama got caught, but no fricking way 10rc should come away clean from this. They were outbid for Means and then the little bitches turned Bama in. Everybody knows Fulmer snitched to the NCAA.
Except Arkansas turned them in not us and even your man Spurrier talked. Hell an entire group of SEC coaches did. Ole Roy had been unwelcome at UT for decades prior to the Means scandal. Also:
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Adams has had several run-ins with the N.C.A.A. and his alma mater. He said the former Tennessee athletic director Doug Dickey once confronted him outside the locker room and told him to stay away from the team. The N.C.A.A. investigated Adams in the late 1980s for sponsoring a recruiting trip for two players to visit the University of Houston. Adams’s defense was that he never did the bidding of any one school.
And his 'work' went well beyond UT and Houston. He paid players for Arkansas State, Ole Miss, and Memphis and likely others too. Roy did it all because he liked being around players -- hot young thangs that they were.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 5:18 pm to RT1941
quote:I did some "business" with the ath. dept. back then, pertaining to football and had numerous occasions to work with CMD and Neil.
You named the name......... Callaway started coaching with Pat Dye at ECU - followed Dye to Wyoming - followed Dye to AU....
Posted on 4/16/15 at 5:41 pm to coachcrisp
I am not upset about us being hit, if we did the crime we do the time. I am upset about everyone else doing the exact same thing being with court testimony saying it, and nothing being done about it.
I also know UT was dirty as sin on the Tee Martin case, and when they got off I knew the fix was in.
Everyone else should be held to the same standards we were, and they were not. Then later on our compliance department self reports a violation by a former UT assistant basketball coach, we do everything exactly like you are supposed to, and we get nailed again for it.
Do the right thing and they talk about you like its some kind of rampant out of control program. They WERE out to get us as long as Roy Kramer was calling the shots, it was a great day when he retired for Alabama.
I also know UT was dirty as sin on the Tee Martin case, and when they got off I knew the fix was in.
Everyone else should be held to the same standards we were, and they were not. Then later on our compliance department self reports a violation by a former UT assistant basketball coach, we do everything exactly like you are supposed to, and we get nailed again for it.
Do the right thing and they talk about you like its some kind of rampant out of control program. They WERE out to get us as long as Roy Kramer was calling the shots, it was a great day when he retired for Alabama.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 5:48 pm to antibarner
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I also know UT was dirty as sin on the Tee Martin case,
Keep saying it, maybe someone will believe you
Posted on 4/16/15 at 6:31 pm to Vols&Shaft83
That's because it was true. Sorry if you can't face the truth, but I was there and I know.
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