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re: a legit and fair question for the HUNH cheerleaders here
Posted on 2/28/14 at 8:30 am to antibarner
Posted on 2/28/14 at 8:30 am to antibarner
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Did I mention any rule? Personally I think they should leave things as they are.
HUNH teams if it were so effective should never lose. But they manage to.
Now man up and answer the question.
Sounds like you're arguing against the rule change. Congrats. HUNH is just another style of offense.
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 9:04 am to parkjas2001
UF wasn't hunh lmao
Posted on 2/28/14 at 9:09 am to parkjas2001
Spread option /=/ HUNH
Just because going no huddle is something your offense is capable of and can do well (ala UGA), doesn't make the offense a HUNH.
Not that it makes a huge difference to the point of the thread, just pointing that out.
Just because going no huddle is something your offense is capable of and can do well (ala UGA), doesn't make the offense a HUNH.
Not that it makes a huge difference to the point of the thread, just pointing that out.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 9:26 am to TeLeFaWx
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If you're assuming all plays are equal.
It is absolutely impossible for two football plays to be the exact same, so there is no possibility of that assumption.
Furthermore, what matters is NOT "what kind of play" was ran, but "how often" was a play ran. With that statement, you are assuming that there exist plays in football in which one cannot be injured. That is asinine.
A player can be hurt on any play. When says "plays" in the other post, what he is really saying is "opportunities for injury". Every play is a chance to get injured, so the more plays that are ran, the more chances for injury there are. This is not debatable. It is a statistical absolute, as the sample size grows, so too does the rate of injury.
All that said, it isn't anywhere close to bad enough to be introducing a rule about it. They never should have framed it as a safety issue, it isn't.
It is an issue of sportsmanship, fairness, and "is this really football? Do we really want CFB to look like the Arena League?"
Posted on 2/28/14 at 9:29 am to Nicolae
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Every play is a chance to get injured, so the more plays that are ran, the more chances for injury there are. This is not debatable. It is a statistical absolute
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as the sample size grows, so too does the rate of injury.
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It is an issue of sportsmanship, fairness,
exactly and at this point the offense has far more rules than the defense. yet they want to add more
Posted on 2/28/14 at 9:30 am to Nicolae
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It is an issue of sportsmanship, fairness
Is it fair some teams have better resources and recruiting bases and some don't?
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Do we really want CFB to look like the Arena League?"
Posted on 2/28/14 at 9:36 am to Nicolae
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It is absolutely impossible for two football plays to be the exact same, so there is no possibility of that assumption.
Furthermore, what matters is NOT "what kind of play" was ran, but "how often" was a play ran. With that statement, you are assuming that there exist plays in football in which one cannot be injured. That is asinine.
A player can be hurt on any play. When says "plays" in the other post, what he is really saying is "opportunities for injury". Every play is a chance to get injured, so the more plays that are ran, the more chances for injury there are. This is not debatable. It is a statistical absolute, as the sample size grows, so too does the rate of injury.
All that said, it isn't anywhere close to bad enough to be introducing a rule about it. They never should have framed it as a safety issue, it isn't.
It is an issue of sportsmanship, fairness, and "is this really football? Do we really want CFB to look like the Arena League?"
It's weird. In the NFL, Peyton Manning runs the no-huddle and they refer to him as a genius.
Teams in CFB adopt a similar style, and all of the daft fans of antiquated styles of football come out of their holes to protest strategic progress. Change happens. The offense dictates pace.
Everyone knows that using smaller, faster players, rather than the out of shape behemoths often used by power teams, means less risk of injury. The HUNH skews towards that type of player.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 9:42 am to snakeelix
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As my dear old Granddad uses to say " Son don't argue with a pig, it wastes your time and annoys the pig." So I will say adieu to this convocation of the Flat Earth Society and totter off to the beautiful beaches of Punta Uva to start chilling the Cervezas (If you ever get a chance try Imperial Beer best ever)
No doubt. I knew Auburn was a fricking horrible school when my aunt and uncle graduated from there, but this is honestly blowing my mind.
This is what comes to mind when you confront an AU fan with any sort of logic:
Love me some Arrested Development, btw.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 9:43 am
Posted on 2/28/14 at 9:49 am to NYCAuburn
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Every play is a chance to get injured, so the more plays that are ran, the more chances for injury there are. This is not debatable. It is a statistical absolute
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as the sample size grows, so too does the rate of injury.
How does your mind work? In what world does running more plays (opportunities for injury), with the same group of 85 guys, result in fewer injuries?
I mean, if this is true, then why ever stop playing? We should just have a game that goes 24/7/365, because according to you guys, nobody would ever get hurt that way. It is an interesting hypothesis.
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Incorrect quote: It is an issue of sportsmanship, fairness, exactly and at this point the offense has far more rules than the defense. yet they want to add more
Then go watch arena and quit trying to ruin real football. Honestly, I think you guys want to get rid of defenses entirely and just line up offenses to see who can run down the field the fastest.
BTW, the offense has far, far more rules in favor of them. This is actually the very first rule in my lifetime that I recall that is created to benefit the defense.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 9:51 am
Posted on 2/28/14 at 9:53 am to Nicolae
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How does your mind work?
in a realistic world. your second statement is incorrect.
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n what world does running more plays (opportunities for injury), with the same group of 85 guys, result in fewer injuries?
Did I state that? and you are saying two different things here as well. you are talking about a probability and actual occurrences.
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I mean, if this is true, then why ever stop playing? We should just have a game that goes 24/7/365, because according to you guys, nobody would ever get hurt that way. It is an interesting hypothesis.
Lord and you were just talking about logic.
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Then go watch arena and quit trying to ruin real football
Have you actually watched arena football, there is no comparison between the two
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I think you guys want to get rid of defenses entirely and just line up offenses to see who can run down the field the fastest
Again, you were just talking about logic werent you? 
Posted on 2/28/14 at 9:59 am to antibarner
Gus HUNH 1 Saban 0
Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:01 am to NYCAuburn
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As my dear old Granddad uses to say " Son don't argue with a pig, it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
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NYCAuburn
Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:04 am to BamaDoc14
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BamaDoc14
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A) a thirteen year boy behind the keyboard
B) an obese 45 year old man sitting in the dark on the couch behind the keyboard
so which one are you?
Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:14 am to NYCAuburn
I am not in favor of changing the rules...what is going to happen is the defenses will adjust. You stuff a HUNH team a couple of series and pound their defense. Then guess who will be sucking wind because they are out there so much.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 10:16 am
Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:18 am to antibarner
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You stuff a HUNH team a couple of series and pound their defense. Then guess who will be sucking wind because they are out there so much.
which is what I find hilarious about the whole situation currently.
Everyone was saying HUNH teams arent out on the field long, they either go 3 and out or score quick which hurts their defense, etc..., now the argument has changed that they are running too many plays on drives and cant sub in time
Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:20 am to NYCAuburn
Here is what you need to worry about:
AU and Oregon have run the purist form of the HUNH over the last 5 years. During that period those teams have made 3 BCSNCG appearences and UO has been in the conversation the last 5 years. They have done it without having the greatest Defenses in the world or #1 signing classes. In Auburn's case they are just now running the Offense that Gus wants the HUNH to be.
AU and Oregon have run the purist form of the HUNH over the last 5 years. During that period those teams have made 3 BCSNCG appearences and UO has been in the conversation the last 5 years. They have done it without having the greatest Defenses in the world or #1 signing classes. In Auburn's case they are just now running the Offense that Gus wants the HUNH to be.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:21 am to NYCAuburn
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y NYCAuburn
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spacewrangler
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color me shocked.
Well it is true. A rule change did give HUNH O's the ability to be a lot more successful.
I am not really for or against the proposed rule change. Either way Bama will still be one of the best teams / programs and will win more games than will lose against any style of offense.
I don't understand why it is so hard for you to admit that the rule change in 2008 was a catylist for the proliferation of the HUNH O. sometimes rule changes go to far to help one side of the game and need to be adjusted. Agree?
Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:22 am to antibarner
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How many Crystal Footballs have HUNH teams won?
Bama fans on HUNH = LSU fans on Schedules.
If you don't agree you are a retard.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:22 am to antibarner
Just came back in from the beach (all the girls in thongs left and the cervezas were getting low). Checked emails and here and I see the Flat Earthers still hold sway (applogies to the few here who comprehend math and stats). Only really stupid people get this angry just because someone shows they are wrong. Well tata the thongs are back
Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:23 am to NYCAuburn
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How does your mind work?
in a realistic world. your second statement is incorrect.
Realistic? I dunno, perhaps, but it clearly isn't Earth.
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in what world does running more plays (opportunities for injury), with the same group of 85 guys, result in fewer injuries?
Did I state that? and you are saying two different things here as well. you are talking about a probability and actual occurrences.
Yes, that is exactly what you guys have said. That more plays do not result in more injuries. Some said you'd rotate more, but you aren't getting more players, you still only have the 85 guys so that makes no difference.
Is the coach suddenly going to rotate in a guy that sucks, doesn't know the plays, and was warming the bench just because the guys ahead of him are tired? NO! He is simply going to play the tired guys and hope they can get it done.
The other popular line is that I'm just arguing probabilities. As though this is just a hypothesis that when a team is exposed to more opportunity for injury, they accumulate more injuries. Groundbreaking theory, that.
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I mean, if this is true, then why ever stop playing? We should just have a game that goes 24/7/365, because according to you guys, nobody would ever get hurt that way. It is an interesting hypothesis.
Lord and you were just talking about logic.
I'm arguing with Aubies and as the saying goes, "when in Rome...".
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Then go watch arena and quit trying to ruin real football
Have you actually watched arena football, there is no comparison between the two
I attended more than a few Georgia Force games, I actually like Arena football. I am well aware it was an exaggeration, but CFB does not need to emulate "the tons of offense to be exciting" model and that is the point. Many of you seem to disagree with that.
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I think you guys want to get rid of defenses entirely and just line up offenses to see who can run down the field the fastest
Again, you were just talking about logic werent you?
Like I said, trying to see things from the Auburn POV.
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