re: a legit and fair question for the HUNH cheerleaders here

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Here is what you need to worry about:

AU and Oregon have run the purist form of the HUNH over the last 5 years. During that period those teams have made 3 BCSNCG appearences and UO has been in the conversation the last 5 years. They have done it without having the greatest Defenses in the world or #1 signing classes. In Auburn's case they are just now running the Offense that Gus wants the HUNH to be.

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And that, in a nutshell, is why the "Saban Rule" exists. Anyone saying differently is either lying or deluded. Maybe both.

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Realistic? I dunno, perhaps, but it clearly isn't Earth.

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So more plays mean the rate will go up?

this is absolutly incorrect

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Yes, that is exactly what you guys have said.

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Please link this, because it has not been said anywhere.

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That more plays do not result in more injuries

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Yes this is what has been said to a certain extent. but really what has been said is there is no evidence of it occurring. please try and keep up and not come to your own conclusions/assumptions

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Some said you'd rotate more, but you aren't getting more players, you still only have the 85 guys so that makes no difference.

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oh lord, please watch some football

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As though this is just a hypothesis that when a team is exposed to more opportunity for injury, they accumulate more injuries

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here in lies your fallacy, I hope you see it one day

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I'm arguing with Aubies and as the saying goes

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So you admit you dont have any?

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attended more than a few Georgia Force games, I actually like Arena football. I am well aware it was an exaggeration, but CFB does not need to emulate "the tons of offense to be exciting" model and that is the point. Many of you seem to disagree with that.

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so you are admitting that the two have no comparison?

Simple fact, more plays does not mean the rate increases. you were incorrect, yet still arguing the fact and making up your own assumptions and statements. More plays does give more opportunity, theoretically, but the rate does not increase. However, other factors come into play, such as a higher number of rotations as well, which can actually lessen the rate, which then lessens the probability of occurrences. Sorry for actually being logical rather than making stuff up

And all of this about more in game plays is ridiculous as well considering far more injuries occur, in practice, then game play. Far more injuries occur from blitzing, than just being in a play. etc..

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Saban tried to backdoor the rule in this year because he knew it would not get the votes at a full convention next year. This was his last chance to slow it down.

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I disagree. I think he (and Bert) was trying to backdoor it because he simply thinks it is unfair and wants it NOW and not next year. Somewhat like a spoiled child. He shouldn't have though, I think it would pass, but they may have hurt its chances with the negative media.

It wouldn't really have much effect anyway, especially not on AU, but I'm not sure I support the rule. I just simply support something being done to bring the defense back into the game from the "spectator on the field" status they current hold.

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I disagree. I think he (and Bert) was trying to backdoor it because he simply thinks it is unfair and wants it NOW and not next year. Somewhat like a spoiled child. He shouldn't have though, I think it would pass, but they may have hurt its chances with the negative media. It wouldn't really have much effect anyway, especially not on AU, but I'm not sure I support the rule. I just simply support something being done to bring the defense back into the game from the "spectator on the field" status they current hold.

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Of course they want it now, but they also realize that it would never pass on a full convention vote (see ESPN Poll). It is easier to convince 6 people than 70 coaches.

The defense has never left the game, what the HUNH has done is take away the DCs ability to control the game from the sideline. The days of specialty players and packages are over. Again, 5 star recruits who specialize on third down situations do Saban very little good on the sideline.
I think a side impact of the HUNH in Sabans case will be fewer Defensive players processed. He will be reluctant to cut them because, he will not be able to get a complete game type evaluation of them.

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It doesn't affect player safety so the pretense is stupid.

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Call it what you will it makes no difference to me. ESPN interviewed a doctor regarding the Pac12 and their limited contact practices. He upheld the claim about limited practice-less contact equals greater safety - citing you don't get "used to being hit by being hit more, you simply get closer to a concussion or other health issues.

So the more plays you run in a game the more likely you are to be concussed.

It's on it's way and it's just the first of many. With players threatening to form a Union because of lack of money and "safety" issues, means less money for colleges and the NCAA - that's not going to happen as long as they can be put in measures to curb that monster in the future. The $40 million plus the NCAA lost in the EA Sports lawsuit got their attention - they're not losing more.

This measure is just the first of many to prevent the NCAA and like minded Universities from giving up more money. Gus, Sumlin and other HUNH coaches will be onboard when it comes up again next Spring - trust me.

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The $40 million plus the NCAA lost in the EA Sports lawsuit got their attention - they're not losing more.

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Um, that is false. What is driving the split for division 4 is being able to pay players a stipend. They know they have to pay more to the players than they do.

That is a separate issue from player safety.

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Call it what you will it makes no difference to me. ESPN interviewed a doctor regarding the Pac12 and their limited contact practices. He upheld the claim about limited practice-less contact equals greater safety - citing you don't get "used to being hit by being hit more, you simply get closer to a concussion or other health issues.

So the more plays you run in a game the more likely you are to be concussed.

It's on it's way and it's just the first of many. With players threatening to form a Union because of lack of money and "safety" issues, means less money for colleges and the NCAA - that's not going to happen as long as they can be put in measures to curb that monster in the future. The $40 million plus the NCAA lost in the EA Sports lawsuit got their attention - they're not losing more.

This measure is just the first of many to prevent the NCAA and like minded Universities from giving up more money. Gus, Sumlin and other HUNH coaches will be onboard when it comes up again next Spring - trust me.

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Going down the path of endorsing fewer plays is a dangerous one. Why not just play fewer games? Fewer practices? Hell, if it's that dangerous, ban football altogether.

I guarantee you that two power run teams playing against each other will result in more injuries, and that's with them running fewer plays than HUNH/spread teams. Let's introduce a rule to ban those offenses. Hell, let's get rid of the running game altogether. No more fat-arse defensive tackles. This line of reasoning can extend to pretty much anything in football.

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Going down the path of endorsing fewer plays is a dangerous one. Why not just play fewer games?

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especially since they just added another game and have done so for the last decade three times now

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Can we just go ahead and switch to rugby?

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too dangerous

I see the Flat earthers are still here/ Look at it like this/ Think of throwing a pair of dice/ Snakeeyes (a 2) has a 1/36 chance of coming up, all the other combos have 35/36 chance of coming up/ Think of a 2 as an injury, think of all other numbers as no injury/ Roll the dice once you have a small chance of a 2 coming up/ roll the dice 100 times you have a better chance of a 2/ roll 1000s of times and the 2's are going to appear more often/ Its simple math people/ You can spout all the non-sense you want about power fb vs spread blah blah and it makes no diff/ I have seen guys get hurt in victory formation plays/ Plays cause injuries/ Increase them you have more injuries/ I have no position on the rule I just hate to see so much stupid/Plus I am really into the Imperial