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Even more interesting.

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Agreed. Not really all that surprising though. Their issue came from people not renewing their premium football seating last year -- since the price for those tickets essentially doubled with the CGA's to build the basketball arena kicking in -- and practically everyone expecting them to be terrible. That "issue" was likely remedied in a single year though -- since they won more than they were supposed to and are very optimistic going into the future.

Our numbers was also in spite of our basketball program having the worst in several decades this past year(which was expected) -- and the Hump being mostly empty all year, while OM was sold out at basketball and riding a historic season by their standards. I think I read somewhere that our basketball revenue was off about $4mil this year against our usual mean.

Our stadium expansion should bring in an increase in revenue of about $8-10 mil/yr as well.

Overall, I think State's logical "ceiling" is about $85 mil/yr by 2014 -- still not really playing with the big boys -- but continuing to close the gap at least somewhat...(+$10mil for football, +$4mil for basketball, +$2mil for baseball which could go higher if/when the DNF rebuild is announced)...

God damnit, the switch from Coke to Pepsi kept us from breaking $100MM.

cant argue with that. It's amusing how much they are paying incredibly average coaches. Wonder which line item settled lawsuits/hush money goes into. It's been a relatively large line item for them for years but it may really take off this year with the Bev Kearney shite going on

OUR REVENUE

Quickly calculated profit margins, SEC's looking tidy.

1. Texas - 25.0MM
2. OSU - 17.6MM
3. Mich. - 24.9MM
4. Bama - 16.7MM
5. Florida - 15.6MM
6. aTm - 37.9MM - 14MM = adjusted 23.9MM
7. LSU - 12.7MM
8. Penn St. - 850K
9. OU - 10.2MM
10 Auburn - 9.6MM
11 Wisky - 1.5MM
12 Tenn - 1.6MM
13 FSU - 9.7MM
14 Arkansas - 17.3MM
15 Iowa - -6.8MM
16 Oregon - 4.9MM
17 Mich St - 5.5MM
18 UGA - 2.8MM
19 UK - 3.5MM
20 L'ville - 3.6MM
21 USCjr - 2.6MM
22 Okie St - -9.5MM
23 Minn - Cooked Books to Balance
24 Wash - 8.8MM
25 UNC - 500K
26 Nebraska - 4.6MM
27 Virginia - 5.3MM
28 WVU - -12.9MM
29 Illinois - 1.9MM
30 Arizona - 1.2MM
31 Indiana - 3.0MM
32 UCLA - Cooked books to Balance
33 Cal - 2.6MM
34 VT - 3.75MM
35 Purdue - 2.5MM
36 Kansas - 8.8MM
37 Clemson - 2.2MM
38 Miss St - 1.9MM
39 Maryland - 33K
40 Texas Tech - 7.6MM
41 Rutgers - Cooked Books to Balance
42 UCONN - -260K
43 Kstate - 12.2MM
44 GT - 2.0MM
45 ASU - -5.7MM
46 NCST - 3.4MM
47 UNLV - 115K
48 Oregon St - 880K
49 CU - 2.8MM
50 ISU - 37K
51 Ole Miss - 150K
52 Mizzou - -16.3MM
53 Cincy - -975K
54 Memphis - -3K
55 Air Force - 1.3MM
56 S. Florida - 500K
57 Boise St - 260K
58 UNM - -37K
59 WSU - -5.2MM
60 UCF - 980K
61 Utah - -2.9MM
62 SDST - -1.0MM
63 Hawaii - -2.4MM
64 Houston - 250K
65 ECU - 1.9MM
66 Old Dominion - 870K
67 James Madison - Cooked Books to Balance
68 Army - 5.2MM
69 Delaware - Cooked Books to Balance
70 CSU - 641K
71 Fresno St. - 550K
72 Wyoming - -210K
73 UMass - 297K
74 Marshall - 2.4MM
75 E. Mich - 1.25MM
76 Ohio - 4.25MM
77 NMST - 1.1MM
78 Miami(OH) - 290K
79 UAB - 700K
80 W. Mich - 82K
81 Buffalo - 2K
82 UTEP - 138K
83 Akron - -8K
84 Texas St - 1.5MM
85 MTSU - 105K
86 Stony Brook - 2.0MM
87 WKU - Cooked Books


frick doing all 228 schools

Here's a list of other shitty schools that made way more money than Missouri last year.

94 San Jose St - 413K
101 Wichita St - 915K
103 Coastal Carolina - 118K
105 Southern Miss - 388K
109 Bowling Green - 1.35MM
121 LA Tech - 47K
122 App St - 1.4MM
148 Norfolkin Way - 1.54MM
169 New Jersey Tech - 560K
179 Dunk City - 430K
181 Southeastern LA - 178K
195 SE Missouri St - 448K
196 UCA - 180K
199 UALR - 341K
203 UM-KC - -2.75MM
211 Southern 1.2MM
228 UNO - 145K


and to kick a little more sand in Mizzou's face

Murray St, their season opener, turned a profit of $87K last year. Maybe they can pay you guys instead for the game.



Arkansas looks to be the 5th most profitable program on the list. :obamanotbadgif:

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Ags gave $14MM more than Texas.

In fact, horns gave $25mm After they won the MNC. That's half what the Ags gave in 2012 following a 7-6 season.

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I think you are misconstruing the numbers. Remember, these numbers are for 2012 and before.

One, A&M is in the midst of a fundraising campaign for the Kyle Field renovations, and has previously undertaken fundraising drives for other facilities (the baseball field), and all of that comes through the 12th Man Foundation.

The University of Texas hasn't had a major facilities fundraiser in awhile -- that was done in the mid-to-late 90's.

This link at aggiesports.com from Nov. 2012 pegs the annual contributions to the 12th Man Foundation tied to seat location and whatnot at $23 million.

Also included in that article is this:

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A&M's annual fundraising revenue ranks in the middle of the pack compared with the rest of the Southeastern Conference. The Aggies are seventh in the conference, raising just more than $23 million in 2010-2011 -- trailing Florida, LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee.

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This link (also from Nov. 2012) advertising for a senior director of major gifts for the 12th Man Foundation also pegs "annual giving programs" (as opposed to sporadic fundraising efforts) at $23 million.

The University of Texas' Longhorn Foundation has annual giving totals of $40 million, as shown in the USA Today numbers linked in the OP, and buttressed by these articles that put the annual fundraising at $37 million in 2010 and 2011, which corresponds exactly with the USA Today numbers.

Let's recap:

UT Longhorn Foundation -- $40 million-plus annual donations

Texas A&M 12th Man Foundation -- $20 million-plus annual donations

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I anticipate A&M moving into the 2 slot after new Kyle opens, maybe before as the suites are flying off the shelf.

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Maybe, maybe not.

It all depends on if the suites generate as much money as the capital improvements campaign to build them in the first place generate year in and year out.

I lean toward the "doubtful" side.

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4. Alabama
5. Florida
6. Texas A&M
7. LSU

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4. Alabama - subsidy $5,461,200
5. Florida - subsidy $4,356,457
6. Texas A&M - subsidy $5,200,000
7. LSU - subsidy $0

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Well, certainly, a big chunk of it's tied to tickets and their location.

But what I've noticed about A&M's seat donations as compared to The University of Texas'... A&M sets every year the minimum donation necessary to keep those seats -- if you don't meet that minimum, you lose the seats.

At Texas, the donation you gave to get the seat originally becomes the baseline, and never changes unless you up your donation.

Therefore, Texas is leaving A LOT of money on the table in relation to donations/tickets as compared to A&M.

I would suspect if Texas adopted A&M's policy of the university setting the minimum donation for the seats as opposed to the baseline being the original donation (make sense?), there would be a mutiny and a march on Bellmont in Austin, Texas.

You mention debt service... you don't think all this money being spent by A&M is just magically going to be gobbled up and hidden, and have no impact on the bottom line? Of course it will.

Texas' debt service comes from projects undertaken about 15 years ago... yours is just beginning.

And on top of that, you are helped by the hotel tax that was foisted on the Bryan-College Station governments as ransom for the improvements, or else you'd play your games in Houston during the renovations, killing the hotel industry in your neck of the woods. LINK

I'll be damned if UT athletics ever held the city hostage over a hotel tax to pay for a football stadium.

Didn't mean to be nasty, but I just find it odd that a school bragging to be rolling in the dough has to take a $16 million loan from the university side to keep the bills paid, and took $5.2 million in 2012 and several million in 07-08-09 (from "school funds"), and threatened to play in Houston unless it got a hotel tax to help pay for the expansion/renovation, no matter how piddly.

That's all I'm saying, sir :)

I know that UT's ledger shows monies coming from "student fees" (but none from "school funds" over the period shown), but I think that's for recreational sports improvements, which also benefit intercollegiate athletics (the UT women's volleyball team plays in the recreational sports complex, for instance).

I also would expect the monies spent on renovations at Texas to be winding down to the point to where it might not even be an issue -- that's been 15 years ago. I know that notes can be for longer terms than that, so I don't know that for sure.

You also mention that seat donations went way up when DKR-Texas Memorial Stadium was expanded/renovated in the late 90's... I don't think anyone's donations were upped forcibly to pay for it. Mine certainly weren't. That's my point -- A&M sets the minimum donations necessary every year. At UT, if you give $1,000/seat for 40-yard line seats, you can keep that same seat in perpetuity for $1,000. Not so at A&M.

Ok, perpetuating your horn bullshite isn't going to get far with me. Like many ADs over the last 20 years, we've transitioned from a good old boy network to a real business. Byrne wanted to clean house but was told he couldn't. The bridge loan was made public to embarrass the university so that Byrne could fire some good old boy employees. Bridge loans are SOP for athletic departments (including yours) as cash flow is not steady and usually comes in huge chunks (at season ticket time). Byrne used that to pressure the powers that be to let him do what he felt he needed to do.

Hell, we didn't even lose money as an AD the year we took that loan and it was paid back within a year. But you guys bring it up every chance you get despite the fact that you have in fact taken a bridge loan since then. It happens to even well financed ADs because it's the nature of the business. When you want to spend money, sometimes you don't have cash on hand.

As to donations, when you invested a ton in your stadium upgrades - which long term will be well worth it - you greatly inflated both your revenues and your expenses. Those huge donation commitments are being exactly offset against the committed expenses. It's not real. It's accounting bullshite. When the expenses vanish so will the donations. Joe Jamail didn't write a $100mm check. He committed to give that money. And each year he gives exactly enough to pay your debt service.

And you are wrong on how A&M seats are handled. We have the same system fwiw