re: 2012 revenues per USA Today

I think Mizzou's costs ended up more than that due to other incurred costs. I think they had to buyout some contracts that were associated with being in the big12.

A&M and Mizzou "took the hit" this year for sure with the move. That's what so amazing about A&M's numbers, they are exploding. So many fans with so much money that have been beaten down for so long suddenly are seeing real hope. The cash is going to flow like a river.

For Mizzou it is more of a long term investment that will pay off. They didn't have the massive groundswell A&M had for the move and they haven't had the first year success either. Long term though they will be FAR better off though.

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A&M and Mizzou "took the hit" this year for sure with the move. That's what so amazing about A&M's numbers, they are exploding. So many fans with so much money that have been beaten down for so long suddenly are seeing real hope. The cash is going to flow like a river.

For Mizzou it is more of a long term investment that will pay off. They didn't have the massive groundswell A&M had for the move and they haven't had the first year success either. Long term though they will be FAR better off though.

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Very true. Lots of money in that state, especially Houston, south Texas, etc. A&M will be stacked.

ETA: Got this from Mizzou's athletic site....... 44.7 mil in one year span for Mizzou that's not counting the lil folks

The $30mil is a jump start for a $200 mil master plan for facility upgrades..

There's more money to come from the STL/KC corporations, places in Springfield/Joplin/Branson.

I have the TSF brochure last year. Mizzou ranked 13th for the "Annual Giving Total for SEC Member Schools". Mizzou had only $7.65 mil. Since the move to the SEC they crushed that number.

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quote:38. Mississippi State quote:51. Mississippi Even more interesting.

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Not really. We have been killing it in athletic contributions and revenue. We have turned multi-million dollar profits 4 years in a row. OM, in '11 and '12 just barely broke even on paper but probably tooka huge hit in reality.

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I'll allow it


You're so kind.

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Yeah, DMagic, you're one of the nicest on this board.

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There's a separate category for "student fees" versus "school funds."

I'm pointing to the "school funds" Alabama has received in the past four or five years that are totally separate from "student fees."

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Alabama atheletics may initially get funding from the academic side of things, but it kicks back ten times that to academics. It has donated millions to the general scholarship fund the last few years, as well as facility improvements for the University at large.

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Then why are you building your stadium on bonds? Good lord do you guys really think you have more money?

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Most major stadium expansions come through issuing bonds.

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Then why are you building your stadium on bonds?

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Why wouldn't they?

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The difference in state and OM numbers is the 12 mil Seal gave.

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That money was pledged and went on our "books" in 2011. LINK

Now, we could have logically extrapolated it over it's entire payment period(3-5 years) with the amount that we actually have in hand on any given year.

We followed 2011's $37.6mil(25.6 without the Seal gift) with $32mil more in 2012. LINK /

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That family is going to shell that out each year?

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We've got Seal and Mize names on practically every major big3 athletics initiative of the past 10+ years. As long as there's something to build in that regard, I imagine they'll be right there with their checkbooks giving whatever is required to put their name on it in some way -- and Dudy Noble is on the horizon.

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The only thing that has changed from having a reported 38mil 3 years ago to 68mil is reporting your contributions and licensing.

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We've added CGA's to both basketball and football season tickets as a constant fundraising initiative -- as well as increased prices in season tickets. We reseated the Hump a few years back and will reseat Davis Wade in 2014. Just the new premium seating donations will be worth about $5mil/yr total before figuring prices of actual tickets. Our current licensing contracts are shite all around -- all had to be negotiated in 08 when Byrne first got here and had bigger fish to fry with almost concurrent football and baseball hires and basically all 3 programs being shite. I look for that to improve dramatically in the future as apparel is being renegotiated this year, Learfield obviously goes away in 2014, etc...

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Your ticket sales in a revenue stand point are higher than they have ever been so im not sure this years basketball season is even reported.

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They are still reported as part of the total pie -- and the decrease in both season ticket sales and actual attendance is simply shown as a loss in my first quote. Those seats will all fill back up eventually.

I just think $85 mil is a logical goal for us beginning in 2014. Doesn't mean that we make it -- just that it's a logical goal that takes us from way the hell behind everyone else to just outside of striking distance of the next tier...

I'm not misconstruing anything.

That was a very long-winded response. No one's reading that mess.

You should have just said "they can't do it year and year out."

You guys get like $60MM from tickets. Right now we get like $35MM. But we've already sold 11/12 of our high end Founders Suites for $5-15MM a pop, amortized over 5-10 years. We have shite loads of new premium seating in the form of suites, loge boxes, etc. The entire second deck of the west side will be club.

The gap is going to narrow very quickly. I anticipate TAMU moving into the 2 slot after new Kyle's built and the revenues from the SEC network begin to flow.