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re: 1983 Auburn Tigers: The biggest hosing in modern CFB history
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:43 pm to cajunbama
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:43 pm to cajunbama
Damn Freep. I'm not making it out to be epic, just a bigger hose job than Auburnin 1983.
I mean really, how many times has a defending NC started out ranked #1, ran the table, and not get voted #1? How about 2 time defending champs?
Auburn was down 20 to nothing against Texas with 94 seconds left, Alabama beat everyone on its schedule in 66.
'66 is a tough one, impossible that a preseason #1/reigning champ goes undefeated and doesn't take the crown.. but that ND squad was crazy good. Shame they didn't split in the polls.
Even if ND wasn't so dominant it may have happened.. north/east coast bias was real in that period.
Having said that, I will not feel bad for any Bama shaftings.. gluttonous amount of hardware in that trophy case as is.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 12:31 am to OldSchoolHorn
Kinda reminds me of the hose job Bama got in 1977. Bama entered the bowls ranked #3 behind #1 Texas led by Earl Campbell and #2 Oklahoma. Texas played #5 Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl and Texas lost 38-10 when Campbell and his backup Johnny Lam Jones were injured in the game and the Irish, led by Joe Montana beat the Horns. #3 Bama destroyed #9 Ohio State coached by Woody Hayes in the Sugar Bowl 35-6. Then #2 Oklahoma lost to the #6 Arkansas Razorbacks 31-6 despite Lou Holtz suspending several starters just before the game. So if #1 and #2 lost and #3 won handily, #3 is your National Champion, right?
Nope, it was awarded to #5 Notre Dame.
Four teams all finished 11-1 and had an argument for #1: Texas whose loss was to Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl, essentially eliminating them from the discussion; Notre Dame, whose loss was to Ole Miss in September one week after Bama thrashed the Rebels in B'ham; Arkansas who lost to Texas at home 13-9 in October; and Alabama, who lost to Nebraska on the road in September.
Nope, it was awarded to #5 Notre Dame.
Four teams all finished 11-1 and had an argument for #1: Texas whose loss was to Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl, essentially eliminating them from the discussion; Notre Dame, whose loss was to Ole Miss in September one week after Bama thrashed the Rebels in B'ham; Arkansas who lost to Texas at home 13-9 in October; and Alabama, who lost to Nebraska on the road in September.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 12:48 am to BowlJackson
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You didn't edit to add that.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 2:19 am to phil4bama
1977 Alabama was screwed just as epically as 1983 Auburn IMO.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 2:34 am to Ross
Tx dominated AU at JH and dominated Georgia in the bowl game. They just lost at the end by fumbling a punt. Tx was a better team than AU.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 2:37 am to phil4bama
my favorite year in cfb.
1-6 were almost impossible to pick from.
1-6 were almost impossible to pick from.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 2:37 am to phil4bama
my favorite year in cfb.
1-6 were almost impossible to pick from.
1-6 were almost impossible to pick from.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 2:37 am to phil4bama
my favorite year in cfb.
1-6 were almost impossible to pick from.
1-6 were almost impossible to pick from.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 2:45 am to OldSchoolHorn
One theory I've heard, and have read about; the reason why Alabama didn't win in 1966 is because of how the two previous seasons ended based on benefit of the doubt. But, 1965 should have been an example of why Alabama should have won in 1977 and Auburn in 1983. In 1965, #1-3 lost their bowls while #4 Alabama won putting them next in line to move up thus winning the AP.
1983 Auburn should have won no matter what. Their loss to Texas cancels out because they beat Georgia. Auburn also defeated Florida, the same Florida that handed Miami a 25 point loss.
The polls had an agenda. The new flavor was Miami, and they "stopped" the best team of all time, at the time (Nebraska), by NU refusing to settle for a tie. (A tie would still have given NU the title). But the loss automatically should have propelled Auburn much like Alabama did in 1965.
1983 Auburn should have won no matter what. Their loss to Texas cancels out because they beat Georgia. Auburn also defeated Florida, the same Florida that handed Miami a 25 point loss.
The polls had an agenda. The new flavor was Miami, and they "stopped" the best team of all time, at the time (Nebraska), by NU refusing to settle for a tie. (A tie would still have given NU the title). But the loss automatically should have propelled Auburn much like Alabama did in 1965.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 5:42 am to Oklahomey
Notre Dame the blue blood of blue bloods jumping bama in '77 isn't the same as what happened to Auburn in '83.
Somebody check strength of schedule from '77...bet the edge goes to ND.
Somebody check strength of schedule from '77...bet the edge goes to ND.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:57 am to Tigerman97
1977 Notre Dame
Won at #7 Pitt 19-9
Lost at Ole Miss 20-13
Won at Purdue 31-24
Beat Mich St 16-6
Won at Army 24-0
Beat #5 USC 49-19
Beat Navy 43-10
Beat Ga Tech 69-14
Won at #15 Clemson 21-17
Beat Air Force 49-0
Won at Miami 48-10
Beat #1 Texas 38-10 in the Cotton Bowl
1977 Alabama
Beat Ole Miss 34-13
Lost at Nebraska 31-24
Won at Vandy 24-12
Beat Georgia 18-10
Won at #1 USC 21-20
Beat Tennessee 24-10
Beat Louisville 55-6
Won at Mississippi State 37-7
Won at #18 LSU 24-3
Beat Miami 36-0
Beat Auburn 48-21 in B'ham
Beat #9 Ohio State 35-6 in the Sugar Bowl
Bama's only loss was on the road to a good Nebraska team that finished 9-3 and #12 in the AP poll. The Tide QBs threw 5 interceptions in the game and lost 31-24 despite outgaining the Huskers.
Notre Dame's only loss came on the same day as Bama's but the Irish lost to an Ole Miss team in Jackson, MS, that finished 5-6.
The Rebels won 20-13.
You be the judge. I don't think there's much difference in SOS between the two.
Won at #7 Pitt 19-9
Lost at Ole Miss 20-13
Won at Purdue 31-24
Beat Mich St 16-6
Won at Army 24-0
Beat #5 USC 49-19
Beat Navy 43-10
Beat Ga Tech 69-14
Won at #15 Clemson 21-17
Beat Air Force 49-0
Won at Miami 48-10
Beat #1 Texas 38-10 in the Cotton Bowl
1977 Alabama
Beat Ole Miss 34-13
Lost at Nebraska 31-24
Won at Vandy 24-12
Beat Georgia 18-10
Won at #1 USC 21-20
Beat Tennessee 24-10
Beat Louisville 55-6
Won at Mississippi State 37-7
Won at #18 LSU 24-3
Beat Miami 36-0
Beat Auburn 48-21 in B'ham
Beat #9 Ohio State 35-6 in the Sugar Bowl
Bama's only loss was on the road to a good Nebraska team that finished 9-3 and #12 in the AP poll. The Tide QBs threw 5 interceptions in the game and lost 31-24 despite outgaining the Huskers.
Notre Dame's only loss came on the same day as Bama's but the Irish lost to an Ole Miss team in Jackson, MS, that finished 5-6.
The Rebels won 20-13.
You be the judge. I don't think there's much difference in SOS between the two.
This post was edited on 6/24/17 at 7:59 am
Posted on 6/24/17 at 8:29 am to Ross
Your story about #1 and #2 going down at the end of the season, with Miami jumping Auburn gave me flashbacks to 2007. Same exact thing happened to UGA who was arguably the best team. The "Computers" selected other teams.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 8:39 am to Glory, Glory
Yea but you had two losses and didn't even win the East
Posted on 6/24/17 at 9:33 am to Ross
I'm an Auburn fan and agree we got screwed in 1983, but it's worth noting that Nebraska came to Jordan Hare and kicked our butts in 1982 in what may be the biggest beatdown Auburn has ever received. And Auburn played Miami in the 1984 kickoff classic nine months later in what was billed as a game to settle the debate and Miami won. Granted those were different seasons, but they helped color the perception.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 9:37 am to Glorious
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Two time defending national champ Alabama was not awarded the national championship following an undefeated season in 1966.
That's okay. If you guys really thought you deserved it, you'd claim it anyways.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 9:38 am to Govt Tide
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In 1977, Alabama ran the table against a very good schedule after a season opening loss by a TD at a top 10 ranked Nebraska team. That Alabama team smoked the same Ole Miss team that upset Notre Dame within a few weeks of those two games. #5 Notre Dame beat #1 Texas in the Cotton Bowl while #3 Alabama throttled Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl while #2 also lost their bowl game. Notre Dame jumped #3 Alabama going from #5 to #1 in the final poll. Alabama finished the year #2
Didn't the AP Poll pay y'all back in 1978 with an MNC y'all didn't deserve though?
How many of y'all describe the Bama 1978 AP MNC as a hosing against USC?
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:26 am to phil4bama
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You be the judge. I don't think there's much difference in SOS between the two.
I agree. It is a push. Not nearly as lopsided as Auburn's over Miami. Kudos to bama in those days Notre Dame normally played on paper a much tougher schedule than everyone else.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 11:13 am to elprez00
quote:Of course we deserved it. But no, we don't claim it.
That's okay. If you guys really thought you deserved it, you'd claim it anyways.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 11:15 am to beatbammer
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How many of y'all describe the Bama 1978 AP MNC as a hosing against USC?
None of us. Why? Because USC won the Coaches Poll. We rightfully split the national championship that year. USC beat us on the road but lost to an unranked Arizona State team later in the season.
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