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re: 1983 Auburn Tigers: The biggest hosing in modern CFB history
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:08 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:08 pm to RollTide1987
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How do you figure?
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BCS formula
Reading is hard, huh?
AP and coaches don't weigh ad heavily as some of the computer polls that were plugged (like the Harris Poll) into the formula, and things like SOS (which Auburn was #1) and quality wins (which Auburn had an all-time elite type season in that regard) all weigh very heavily. And as we saw in the BCS era the BCS poll influences the human polls which in turn widens the gap.
Anyway, plug everything in and Auburn is #2 at the end of the season over Texas and gets to play #1 Nebraska
And this is actually a good example of why I wish we could get a combination of a BCS like computer formula and the playoffs, instead of just a selection committee. This is a prime example of the computers getting it right when humans got it wrong
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:09 pm to RollTide1987
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BCS formula would have put Nebraska vs Auburn for the National Championship.
How do you figure? Texas finished the regular season #2 and undefeated.
Yea, based on the final results using the system which was in place (baring prejudice, which never happened under that system) Auburn clearly was champion. If the BCS formula had been in play Texas would have played Nebraska.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:17 pm to Ross
Back to back years slimy JoePa got fricked.
1968 Ind 11 0 0 Won Orange vs. Kansas, 15–14 2
1969 Ind 11 0 0 Won Orange vs. Missouri 10–3 2
The number 2 at the end is where they finished both years.
1968 Ind 11 0 0 Won Orange vs. Kansas, 15–14 2
1969 Ind 11 0 0 Won Orange vs. Missouri 10–3 2
The number 2 at the end is where they finished both years.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:21 pm to BowlJackson
There is absolutely no way an undefeated Texas team, who beat Auburn by two touchdowns on the road, is left out of a national championship game with Nebraska.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:24 pm to RollTide1987
The 1939 NCAA football season concluded with the Aggies of The Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas (Texas A&M) being named as the national champions by the voters in the Associated Press writers' poll.
The Volunteers of the University of Tennessee were unbeaten and untied, and unscored upon, shutting out all of their opponents in ten games; but for the second straight year, they finished second in the poll. The final AP Poll in this era came out before postseason bowl games
September 29, 1939 at NC State* Riddick Stadium • Raleigh, NC W 13–0
October 7, 1939 Sewanee Shields-Watkins Field • Knoxville, TN W 40–0
October 14, 1939 at Chattanooga* Chamberlain Field • Chattanooga, TN W 28–0
October 21, 1939 No. 8 Alabamadagger No. 5 Shields-Watkins Field • Knoxville, TN (Third Saturday in October) W 21–0
October 28, 1939 Mercer* No. 1 Shields-Watkins Field • Knoxville, TN W 17–0
November 4, 1939 at No. 18 LSU No. 1 Tiger Stadium • Baton Rouge, LA W 20–0
November 11, 1939 The Citadel* No. 1 Shields-Watkins Field • Knoxville, TN W 34–0
November 18, 1939 Vanderbilt No. 1 Shields-Watkins Field • Knoxville, TN (Rivalry) W 13–0
November 30, 1939 at Kentucky No. 4 McLean Stadium • Lexington, KY (Battle for the Barrel) W 19–0
December 9, 1939 Auburn No. 2 Shields-Watkins Field • Knoxville, TN W 7–0
The Volunteers of the University of Tennessee were unbeaten and untied, and unscored upon, shutting out all of their opponents in ten games; but for the second straight year, they finished second in the poll. The final AP Poll in this era came out before postseason bowl games
September 29, 1939 at NC State* Riddick Stadium • Raleigh, NC W 13–0
October 7, 1939 Sewanee Shields-Watkins Field • Knoxville, TN W 40–0
October 14, 1939 at Chattanooga* Chamberlain Field • Chattanooga, TN W 28–0
October 21, 1939 No. 8 Alabamadagger No. 5 Shields-Watkins Field • Knoxville, TN (Third Saturday in October) W 21–0
October 28, 1939 Mercer* No. 1 Shields-Watkins Field • Knoxville, TN W 17–0
November 4, 1939 at No. 18 LSU No. 1 Tiger Stadium • Baton Rouge, LA W 20–0
November 11, 1939 The Citadel* No. 1 Shields-Watkins Field • Knoxville, TN W 34–0
November 18, 1939 Vanderbilt No. 1 Shields-Watkins Field • Knoxville, TN (Rivalry) W 13–0
November 30, 1939 at Kentucky No. 4 McLean Stadium • Lexington, KY (Battle for the Barrel) W 19–0
December 9, 1939 Auburn No. 2 Shields-Watkins Field • Knoxville, TN W 7–0
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:36 pm to RollTide1987
Well you'll have to take that up with the BCS, not me. I'm not the one who set the formula, I'm just the message delivering the results
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:45 pm to BowlJackson
You have no idea what you are talking about. Which BCS formula are you using? The one from 1998-2003 where the AP was factored into the rankings?
Bottom line...the voters would have made sure Texas would have had enough of a cushion to keep Auburn out. Why? Because they wouldn't have deserved to be there.
Bottom line...the voters would have made sure Texas would have had enough of a cushion to keep Auburn out. Why? Because they wouldn't have deserved to be there.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:50 pm to RollTide1987
Well since a Bama fan doesn't think Auburn deserved to be there surely everybody else will abandon logic too 
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:53 pm to BowlJackson
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Yeah it couldn't possibly be because most people know jack shite about the rosters of teams from half way across the country that played a decade before you were born..
History is hard... if you are an Auburn fan... because football before Drunken Pat and
B-B-Bo knows don't matter cause we sucked
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:55 pm to BowlJackson
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Well since a Bama fan doesn't think Auburn deserved to be there surely everybody else will abandon logic too
You are a terrible troll but let me explain this to you anyway because I'm bored and don't have anything to do for several more hours:
1) Texas beat Auburn 20-7. The game was 20-0 with 90 seconds to play. Texas has a head-to-head win over Auburn.
2) Texas finished the season 11-0 and ranked #2 in both major polls. Auburn finished the season 10-1. I don't give a shite if Auburn's remaining schedule was made up entirely of Top 10 teams, the fact that they lost to Texas makes them less deserving of a national championship game appearance than Texas. Why? Because Texas won the head-to-head (and on the road to boot).
3) We can argue who was deserving of winning that national championship until the cows come home, but there is one thing that is absolutely certain: Texas goes to face Nebraska if the BCS had existed in 1983.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:55 pm to BowlJackson
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Auburn is 2006 National Champs. We beat Florida head-to-head--and won. Why disregard that and try to ride Arkansas' coattails?
Because the BCS.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:03 pm to FearlessFreep
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Anyway, '66 wasn't the epic hose job you make it out to be
Damn Freep. I'm not making it out to be epic, just a bigger hose job than Auburnin 1983.
I mean really, how many times has a defending NC started out ranked #1, ran the table, and not get voted #1? How about 2 time defending champs?
Auburn was down 20 to nothing against Texas with 94 seconds left, Alabama beat everyone on its schedule in 66.
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But the truth was, there were a lot of people associated with college football - many of them sportswriters - who didn't care for Bryant. Like I said, the NCAA case against Bama that year was bullshite, mist likely trumped up because they knew Bryant and Co. were providing illegal benefits but couldn't prove it.
Not taking the bait on this one.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:05 pm to Tigerman97
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Yea, based on the final results using the system which was in place (baring prejudice, which never happened under that system) Auburn clearly was champion.
Clearly not.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:07 pm to cajunbama
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Congrats to our SEC Champion Florida Gators on their win tonight
Posted by cajunbama online on 6/20/17 at 9:26 pm
Here's to you for repping the SEC well.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:11 pm to BowlJackson
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Well since a Bama fan doesn't think Auburn deserved to be there surely everybody else will abandon logic too
Seems like Auburn abandoned logic since everybody else said Auburn wasn't NChamps
You weren't born yet so you shouldn't even care or have an opinion on this. I mean, how can you even have a proper understanding of the rosters and what not since this was 10 years before your birth.
Which makes me wonder, is it safe for you to have an opinion on games and teams when you were say, 3, 4, 5 years old since you were still sucking on your mommy's hairy tit and didn't know what was going on around you?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:14 pm to FearlessFreep
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Bama was on NCAA probation for the 1966 season.
This is completely untrue.
First, the ruling came down at the end of the 1963 season, not 1966. Second, there was only a reprimand from the NCAA. There was no punishment, and no probation at all.
This is the complete text of the reprimand.
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University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa WHEREAS, the NCAA Committee on Infractions has investigated an alleged violation of NCAA legislation on the part of the University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa, and has reported its findings to the Council; WHEREAS, the Council has found the University of Alabama to have violated the provisions governing recruiting (Article VI, Section 8, NCAA Bylaws), in that football coaches of the university recruited a student-athlete enrolled at another institution without first contacting and obtaining permission from the director of athletics of that institution; WHEREAS, the Council has noted that the prospective student-athlete initiated contact with the University of Alabama during a time when he was not in college; however, coaches at the university continued their recruiting interest in him after he had enrolled in another institution; NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council reprimand and censure the University of Alabama; BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED, that record be made of the cooperation extended to the NCAA and its Committee on Infractions by the executive and athletic administrations of the University of Alabama. January 5, 1964
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Television: 0 yrs Reduction in Financial Aid: No Postseason: 0 yrs Recruiting: No Probation: 0 yrs Show Cause Penalty: No Vacation of Record: No
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:18 pm to tigercreole
Had to post it in two threads 
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:29 pm to DoUrden
The Vols actually led in the polls the majority of the year. Aggies passed them on the last week of the season.
Aggies were idle while the Vols shut out Auburn.. Aggies passed them in the polls. Makes sense to me?
My maternal grandfather lettered under the General and was on his staff for a year, I thought I'd heard every Vols story ever, but I never realized they went undefeated and unscored upon and lost it in the polls at the end like they did.
Every championship is questionable until we get at least an 8 team playoff (if not 16), but so many pre 2000 are simply a joke and controlled most anywhere but the gridiron.
Different sports, but look at the top ranked teams in hoops and baseball going into their respective tourneys. How often do the top two teams end up in the championship? Either one for that matter.
Safe to say 50% or more of the MNC'S on CFB would have a different team as champion if there were a true playoff.
In my opinion CFB is by far the greatest level of sport to follow. Yet the champion is decided as much in Bristol CT as a playing field.
Have to say, if theres a bigger F job than Tennessee in '39 I'd need to see some data.
Aggies were idle while the Vols shut out Auburn.. Aggies passed them in the polls. Makes sense to me?
My maternal grandfather lettered under the General and was on his staff for a year, I thought I'd heard every Vols story ever, but I never realized they went undefeated and unscored upon and lost it in the polls at the end like they did.
Every championship is questionable until we get at least an 8 team playoff (if not 16), but so many pre 2000 are simply a joke and controlled most anywhere but the gridiron.
Different sports, but look at the top ranked teams in hoops and baseball going into their respective tourneys. How often do the top two teams end up in the championship? Either one for that matter.
Safe to say 50% or more of the MNC'S on CFB would have a different team as champion if there were a true playoff.
In my opinion CFB is by far the greatest level of sport to follow. Yet the champion is decided as much in Bristol CT as a playing field.
Have to say, if theres a bigger F job than Tennessee in '39 I'd need to see some data.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:34 pm to cajunbama
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this was 10 years before your birth.
8 years
Well 7.5 if we're getting technical. I'm a grown man, dammit.
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is it safe for you to have an opinion on games and teams when you were say, 3, 4, 5 years old since you were still sucking on your mommy's hairy tit and didn't know what was going on around you?
First of all she waxes, and you know that damn well. Don't be a lowlife who spreads lies intentionally.
Secondly, how often do games from the 90s when I was in kindergarten get brought up to the point that details are being debated? Not often, so it doesn't really matter that I don't remember, does it?
Your geriatric arse is senile because you clearly don't know what's going on around you right now. You've demonstrated you know more what went on in games in 1986 than you do games that happened in 2016.
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btw I want you to know that I'm proud of you for sticking with your main account, cajunbama, this many posts in a row instead of bringing in your alters to talk to yourself and agree with yourself.... you're making a lot of progress here lately
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:43 pm to cajunbama
Damn Freep. I'm not making it out to be epic, just a bigger hose job than Auburnin 1983.
I mean really, how many times has a defending NC started out ranked #1, ran the table, and not get voted #1? How about 2 time defending champs?
Auburn was down 20 to nothing against Texas with 94 seconds left, Alabama beat everyone on its schedule in 66.
'66 is a tough one, impossible that a preseason #1/reigning champ goes undefeated and doesn't take the crown.. but that ND squad was crazy good. Shame they didn't split in the polls.
Even if ND wasn't so dominant it may have happened.. north/east coast bias was real in that period.
Having said that, I will not feel bad for any Bama shaftings.. gluttonous amount of hardware in that trophy case as is.
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