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re: ? about Bama's vacated wins
Posted on 6/9/11 at 5:24 pm to crimsonsaint
Posted on 6/9/11 at 5:24 pm to crimsonsaint
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Yeah he's in a John boat and just hooked a great white shark.
He be sinkin bruh
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Posted on 6/9/11 at 5:26 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Oh good Lord you're dumb. The textbook system employed by Alabama at the time didn't allow for cash to exchange hands. If you were on a scholarship, academic or athletic, you "rented" the books for a semester and turned them in at the end, otherwise you owed UA money. The problem came with those on scholarship "renting" books for those not on scholarship.
For potential $$$ though. You rented a book you did not need for free, let someone rent it from you for cash.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 5:49 pm to auburntiger77
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Does Alabama recognize the vacates adn forfeits when they post their records vs. opponents????
Answer: They do not in their media guide...
And even with the 30 wins taken away from Bama's record, we still have almost 100 more wins than Auburn....
Bama 802-319-43; 0.70747
Auburn 710-400-47; 0.63397
Posted on 6/9/11 at 6:04 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
The NCAA noted approximately 200 players across multiple sports that had received extra materials (Most such as "suggested" reading materials or workbooks which are not covered by the scholarship).
It further identified 21 "willful offenders" who knowingly took advantage of the bookstore's lack of oversight (with the potential for profit, although that was never documented). Of those, seven were football players. The severity of the punishment, relative to the light nature of the infractions, was based on the fact that the first players involved acted only three years after the 2002 probation.
It further identified 21 "willful offenders" who knowingly took advantage of the bookstore's lack of oversight (with the potential for profit, although that was never documented). Of those, seven were football players. The severity of the punishment, relative to the light nature of the infractions, was based on the fact that the first players involved acted only three years after the 2002 probation.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 6:38 pm to DvlsAdvocat
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the players don't pay for books, and they return them at the end of the course, not sell them to the bookstore.
So all of these textbooks were turned back in to the University at the end of the course? Is that what you're saying?
Posted on 6/9/11 at 6:40 pm to Vince
quote:the players either turned in all the textbooks or paid for the ones they couldn't return.
So all of these textbooks were turned back in to the University at the end of the course? Is that what you're saying?
Posted on 6/9/11 at 6:49 pm to Vince
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So all of these textbooks were turned back in to the University at the end of the course? Is that what you're saying?
They had to be, or the person on the account would be charged for the cost of the book. However, the crux of the problem came in those on scholarship "renting" for people not on scholarship. Essentially those not on scholarship were getting "money", when they didn't have to pay for books.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 6:50 pm to pvilleguru
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the players either turned in all the textbooks or paid for the ones they couldn't return
If there was no mechanism for profit, then why did they take the extra books?
Posted on 6/9/11 at 6:50 pm to bmy
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For potential $$$ though. You rented a book you did not need for free, let someone rent it from you for cash.
The official NCAA report said no money ever changed hands. Take that for what it's worth.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 6:58 pm to Vince
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If there was no mechanism for profit, then why did they take the extra books?
They were getting them for friends, girlfriends, etc...
For a comparable, real-world example, I have access to free tickets to sporting events all the time. When they are interested, I get them and pass them on to my friends for no charge...its not ethical, since I'm supposed to be getting the tickets only if I'M going to be using them, but I don't see the harm in it...
Posted on 6/9/11 at 7:00 pm to DvlsAdvocat
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For a comparable, real-world example, I have access to free tickets to sporting events all the time.
Are those tickets handed out by a NCAA member institution?
Posted on 6/9/11 at 7:02 pm to Vince
Good grief dude... 
The question was why would somebody do that, for no profit...so I gave an example.
frickin' rantarded posters...
The question was why would somebody do that, for no profit...so I gave an example.
frickin' rantarded posters...
This post was edited on 6/9/11 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 6/9/11 at 7:02 pm to jso0003
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It was a ton of players, a guy I knew played there at the time and it was basically a way of funneling the players cash. Basically just give them a bunch of books and buy them back at full price.
Nice logic.
I know for a fact Florida had the same problem with athletes checking out too many books and letting friends use them. That stopped when Bama got busted and they did their own investigation. One of my best friends was a fairly low profile athlete for UF and said he and everyone he knew did it all the time and didn't know anything was wrong with it until the Bama scandal.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 7:04 pm to DvlsAdvocat
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Good grief dude
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The question was why would somebody do that, for no profit...so I gave an example.
frickin' rantarded posters...
Nice timely edit, but if you re-read my message, it shouldn't be too hard (even for a frickin rantard bambam) to comprehend who the "they" were that I was referring to.
This post was edited on 6/9/11 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 6/9/11 at 7:05 pm to Vince
No, you're just too stupid to make the connection...
Posted on 6/9/11 at 7:06 pm to Vince
We talking bout books? Books?
Posted on 6/9/11 at 7:08 pm to AuburnCPA
CPA! Is that really you!?!?!?
Posted on 6/9/11 at 7:12 pm to Vince
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Are those tickets handed out by a NCAA member institution?
No one is saying Bama did absolutely nothing wrong. We were just a little shocked at the severity of the sanctions. But hell...that is what happens when only a few years before you were busted for paying a coach almost 200k.
I just think its a little silly that the NCAA's resources are spent worrying about how many textbooks a supposed "STUDENT-athlete" checks out from the bookstore.
We had a bookstore manager not doing his job. We found out about it ourselves and self reported what we thought were relatively minor secondary violations. Turns out the NCAA takes the whole repeat offender issue seriously, as they should.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 7:22 pm to Monticello
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turns out the NCAA takes the whole repeat offender issue seriously
The ITAT mafia got to them, that's all.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 9:23 pm to jso0003
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It was a ton of players, a guy I knew played there at the time and it was basically a way of funneling the players cash. Basically just give them a bunch of books and buy them back at full price.
Idiot of the day award right here
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