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Football and race relations in the south
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:54 pm
I really want the honest opinions of posters here on this situation. If Trayvon Martin and the kid Dunn killed were both 5* football players, would Zimmerman had been convicted and would Dunn have been found guilty of 1st degree murder? Would they have been guilty in the court of public opinion? Not trying to race bait, just want to know what others think on this
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:55 pm to MontyFranklyn
If he would have, he shouldn't have been. I watched the case nearly in its entirety and they made the right call
Posted on 2/16/14 at 1:58 pm to MontyFranklyn
Based on the evidence I believe people would have still sided with Zimmerman unless the player was committed to their school. Then that fan base would probably disagree.
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:00 pm to Bama Bird
I feel that more whites would have been sympathetic with Trayvon if he had been, lets say a Myron Rolle type. A child that excels in the classroom as well as the on the field.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:00 pm to diddydirtyAubie
I would've liked to see Zimmermann at least get reckless endangerment or something.
Pretty fricked up you can KILL an unarmed person with a gun - who's smaller than you - and call it self defense.
Pretty fricked up you can KILL an unarmed person with a gun - who's smaller than you - and call it self defense.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:03 pm to genro
quote:I agree especially since Trayvon was standing his ground first
I would've liked to see Zimmermann at least get reckless endangerment or something.
Pretty fricked up you can KILL an unarmed person with a gun - who's smaller than you - and call it self defense.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:04 pm to genro
It's fine to disagree with the law, but it is the law down there and it's what you have to go by.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:07 pm to Bama Bird
quote:Thomas Jefferson
If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:08 pm to MontyFranklyn
The Trayvon Martin case had nothing to do with stand your ground.
I dunno about. BRPD is so inconsistent it's maddening. Last year in north BR a black man told a white man he would beat the shite out of him, then did beat him and his girlfriend to hell, but wasn't even arrested.
Then there's the sham of a case against Jordan Jefferson.
I dunno about. BRPD is so inconsistent it's maddening. Last year in north BR a black man told a white man he would beat the shite out of him, then did beat him and his girlfriend to hell, but wasn't even arrested.
Then there's the sham of a case against Jordan Jefferson.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:09 pm to MontyFranklyn
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I feel that more whites would have been sympathetic with Trayvon if he had been, lets say a Myron Rolle type. A child that excels in the classroom as well as the on the field.
Exactly.
For UGA, if it were Josh Harvey-Clemons with his history of doing drugs and hanging out with the wrong crowd, it would have been a tragedy.
If it were Chris Conley, with no history of ever doing anything wrong, always a class act, it would have been a crime.
With Trayvon, there was only one side of the story and some witnesses that all corraborated Zimm's story. So you have to look at character and history. Trayvon wasn't the 13 year old smiling happy little boy that the media kept showing the picture of on TV. He was a full grown 17 year old trying to be Mr. Tough Guy, smoking weed, getting into fights, had to go live with his aunt because of all his troubles at home. This stuff matters when key details are missing from a case.
Race really has nothing to do with it, just personal character.
So like I said, if it was one of UGA's 5 star athletes instead of Trayvon, insert Josh Harvey Clemons, I'd still give the benefit of the doubt to Zimm.
If it was wide receiver Chris Conley, who is a class act, I would not give the benefit of the doubt to Zimm.
Anyone who disagrees with me has a sub-90 IQ.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:09 pm to Bama Bird
quote:The fact that we don't know if Zimmerman incited Trayvon goes a long way and that is basically what Dunn got off on 1st degree for, because they don't know if the kids truly incited him further than just blaring music loudly. So if its enough to get Dunn off, why isn't it enough to at least charge Zimmerman with 2nd Degree?
It's fine to disagree with the law, but it is the law down there and it's what you have to go by.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:09 pm to genro
That's great and all, but that's not how the Constitution works
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:10 pm to deeprig9
quote:Patently false.
some witnesses that all corraborated Zimm's story.
quote:obviously he deserved the death penalty
He was a full grown 17 year old trying to be Mr. Tough Guy, smoking weed, getting into fights, had to go live with his aunt because of all his troubles at home. This stuff matters when key details are missing from a case.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:11 pm to Bama Bird
The Constitution? We've been ignoring that shite for centuries.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:11 pm to MontyFranklyn
Dunn didn't get off on the 1st degree. It's just a mistrial. And it wasn't 1st degree... that's the entire problem.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:15 pm to Bama Bird
What was Dunn's purpose of shooting if it wasn't intending to kill? Was he just trying to scare them?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:17 pm to MontyFranklyn
I don't think he approached the car with the intentions to kill.
ETA: You can't prove it at least
ETA: You can't prove it at least
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:19 pm to Bama Bird
But he used a weapon that is used to kill all the time. Therefore, him using that weapon in a situation where it was found he wasn't in a life threatening situation leads anyone to believe he had intent on killing
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:20 pm to MontyFranklyn
1st degree murder is premeditated. Merely possessing and carrying a gun doesn't make it premeditated.
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