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Posted on 10/17/16 at 2:26 pm to GnashRebel
Posted on 10/17/16 at 2:26 pm to GnashRebel
Fans just want someone to blame. I don't care if Jesus coaches those LBs, it ain't there. As far as the secondary it's a all freshman unit. You can bet your last dollar there will be bust.
Fans keep asking for magical rushing stats. Judd had 11 carries and Brazley had 6. Both ran for over 3.5 yards per carry combined but only had 17 carries. How can the OL show production running the ball with only 17 carries by the RBs?
Fans keep asking for magical rushing stats. Judd had 11 carries and Brazley had 6. Both ran for over 3.5 yards per carry combined but only had 17 carries. How can the OL show production running the ball with only 17 carries by the RBs?
Posted on 10/17/16 at 2:28 pm to Doresrules
I asked before but I'll ask again. What iyo warrants a coaches firing?
Posted on 10/17/16 at 2:39 pm to UMRealist
Consistent talent but a regression of production. This defense has Gates and a bunch of dudes. There isn't a DT Shackelford or Mike Marry on this squad. There is no Joel Kight or Bird on this squad. Couple that with very young DBs due to injuries and transfers and you're left with a bunch of DUDES playing.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 3:27 pm to Doresrules
I understand your points and I know it has a lot to do with the quality of the defense, but then that also makes me think, we should also have a DC that can recruit to bring that talent in.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 3:29 pm to SquarePizzaRebel
Name another defensive coordinator that doesn't go on the road to recruit. I doubt there is one.
Wommack has been good during our transition to becoming very competitive, but to stay on top, we need a guy who's an elite recruiter and feared in coaching circles.
Since the athletic budget is making bank, Dave can stay on as some kind of consultant to keep a paycheck for a few years if he can't find a job somewhere else, but we need a Mason or someone who can scheme against the best of offensive attacks.
Freeze doesn't need to be spending the time he is helping the defense. He needs a guy to rely to get things done.
Wommack has been good during our transition to becoming very competitive, but to stay on top, we need a guy who's an elite recruiter and feared in coaching circles.
Since the athletic budget is making bank, Dave can stay on as some kind of consultant to keep a paycheck for a few years if he can't find a job somewhere else, but we need a Mason or someone who can scheme against the best of offensive attacks.
Freeze doesn't need to be spending the time he is helping the defense. He needs a guy to rely to get things done.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 8:30 pm to geauxrebs
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Since the athletic budget is making bank, Dave can stay on as some kind of consultant to keep a paycheck for a few years if he can't find a job somewhere else
Y'all are too kind. This isn't a charity for coaches who can't coach good.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:51 pm to rebelcommodore
I feel like Samuel L Jackson...say Mason one more time!
Posted on 10/18/16 at 2:08 am to GnashRebel
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As far as the people that have been blasting Freeze, we have never had it this good and people need to keep things in perspective.
Yes I was around in the Vaught days amd believe it or not these very same discussions were common place after any set back.. At that time we were Alabama level and had about 6 times the fans! Most of those older fans are now Alabama fans and swear they were always Alabama! Lol
If feel like I am back in those years! This is a good thing people, a very good thing! Winning was expected and was delivered! Every loss was microscoped then as it is now.
Cutcliffe never showed that we could be relevant and that showed in is recruiting. He is irrelevant to me and to hear him speak about this disgusted me! Freeze like Vaught says we can be and that's a huge difference so comparisons there are ridiculous! This is from an old schooler. Alive and kicking in the first glory years. This is what it feels like gentlemen. Let Freeze finish the job.
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Posted on 10/18/16 at 9:50 am to Doresrules
Derek Mason? He won't be fired this year. And if he is fired the next year we would have to pony up biiiiiig money to get him. Money we have never spent on a coordinator before. Bigger programs than us will be trying to get him.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 11:07 am to GnashRebel
Yeah I wish people would stop mentioning guys like him.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 6:12 pm to UMRealist
At some point you have to consider why we can recruit so much talent on offense but it isn't coming defensively. That also falls on Wommack. Starting to think linebackers don't want to play in this 4-2-5. Can you blame top corners for not wanting to come to Ole Miss when we don't give them a chance to cover man to man? Saying we don't have the talent isn't a defense for Wommack because this falls back on him.
We gave up 128 points in 3 losses last year and 127 in 3 losses this year. Also had one of the worst defenses stat wise in the SEC last year and this year. Its unacceptable, any other defensive coordinator would have already been canned.
We gave up 128 points in 3 losses last year and 127 in 3 losses this year. Also had one of the worst defenses stat wise in the SEC last year and this year. Its unacceptable, any other defensive coordinator would have already been canned.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 9:39 pm to Rebs93
That would be fair if we weren't at the bottom of CFB in time of possession. It's as if our offense doesn't fit our defense. While the offense scores quickly, it equally goes 3 and out quickly. You are asking the defense late in the 4th quarter to pull out stops when they've been in the game in some cases 70% of the game.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 9:57 pm to Doresrules
^^^ It has indeed become quite the dilemma.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 10:13 pm to Doresrules
There are so many teams that play up tempo offense that still hold together a good defense, that is not an excuse. Both Baylor and Miami have a similar time of possession as us and rank in the top 6 in yards against per play in college football. Heck, we ran the same up tempo offense in 2014 and had similar time of possession stats, maybe slightly less due to the defense being so much better, and still had the top scoring SEC defense.
Facts are, we are awful against the run, which pads the time of possession even more. We allowed an Arkansas team that had 2 yards per carry against Bama and 3 yds per carry against A&M go for 270 yards on 42 carries, 6.4 yards per carry. Bama almost went for 7.5 yards per carry on us, as both Hurts and Harris averaged more than 8 on us, 335 yards. We let up 5.5 yards per play against us on the season, 215 yards on the ground a game. Both ranking in the bottom quarter of the SEC. That just isn't going to cut it. The defense is on the field so much because of their own doing. Wommack needs to be more aggressive, play the run and blitz more. Let our corners play man on man, if we get beat we get beat. Its better than letting teams slowly chip away 5 yards per carry on us and hit 3rd and shorts while we play 10 yards off the WRs. Allen had so much time in the pocket last week it was almost depressing to add onto it.
Back onto the point though, our defense has been awful over the past 2 years. It is all on Wommack
Facts are, we are awful against the run, which pads the time of possession even more. We allowed an Arkansas team that had 2 yards per carry against Bama and 3 yds per carry against A&M go for 270 yards on 42 carries, 6.4 yards per carry. Bama almost went for 7.5 yards per carry on us, as both Hurts and Harris averaged more than 8 on us, 335 yards. We let up 5.5 yards per play against us on the season, 215 yards on the ground a game. Both ranking in the bottom quarter of the SEC. That just isn't going to cut it. The defense is on the field so much because of their own doing. Wommack needs to be more aggressive, play the run and blitz more. Let our corners play man on man, if we get beat we get beat. Its better than letting teams slowly chip away 5 yards per carry on us and hit 3rd and shorts while we play 10 yards off the WRs. Allen had so much time in the pocket last week it was almost depressing to add onto it.
Back onto the point though, our defense has been awful over the past 2 years. It is all on Wommack
Posted on 10/19/16 at 10:20 pm to Rebs93
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Facts are, we are awful against the run, which pads the time of possession even more. We allowed an Arkansas team that had 2 yards per carry against Bama and 3 yds per carry against A&M go for 270 yards on 42 carries, 6.4 yards per carry. Bama almost went for 7.5 yards per carry on us, as both Hurts and Harris averaged more than 8 on us, 335 yards. We let up 5.5 yards per play against us on the season, 215 yards on the ground a game. Both ranking in the bottom quarter of the SEC. That just isn't going to cut it. The defense is on the field so much because of their own doing. Wommack needs to be more aggressive, play the run and blitz more. Let our corners play man on man, if we get beat we get beat. Its better than letting teams slowly chip away 5 yards per carry on us and hit 3rd and shorts while we play 10 yards off the WRs. Allen had so much time in the pocket last week it was almost depressing to add onto it. Back onto the point though, our defense has been awful over the past 2 years. It is all on Wommack
^ This may be a hard pill to swallow but it is the absolute truth!
Posted on 10/19/16 at 10:38 pm to Doresrules
It hasn't been talked about in the media because the defense is the issue obviously, and everyone is trying to come up to solutions on that side of the field. But if time of possession is doing anything, I'd argue its hurting our offense. When we get into shootouts or have to play from behind, like we did in all 3 losses, opposing defenses seem well rested in the second half and late into the game. The pass rush seems to be a lot worse on Chad in the second half in every game, their defensive line seems rested compared to other games around the nation, at least from my view. Doesn't help they know the pass is coming also, but just something I've been thinking about lately.
You tell me last week all we needed to do was score 14 points on Arkansas in the second half to win, I would have bet the house.
You tell me last week all we needed to do was score 14 points on Arkansas in the second half to win, I would have bet the house.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 11:22 pm to Rebs93
That wasn't really the case vs Alabama. In the 4th Qtr we had them gassed. They were playing 3rd stringers at some points. I honestly think if we had gotten that last fumble (by Harris?) we would have marched down the field and scored....but they recovered it.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 12:37 am to Rebs93
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Rebs93
Perfect summary. Thank you.
It's time to bring in someone who can coach better than Wommack and actually recruit some talent as well.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 5:52 am to rebelcommodore
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Rebs93
You get two best friend stickers for the day. Great posts!
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