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Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:41 pm to UMRealist
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Who claims it is the only thing?
Whenever this argument comes up and OM fans are on opposite sides of this the group that wants these things gone always end up saying
"Some people would rather keep their traditions and Dixie and Col Reb than win football games."
So I've always Been under the impression that those people believe that those traditions are what's keeping us from winning games.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 10:02 pm to GatorReb
When you change the narrative to something we all agree is offensive it kind of paints a better understanding of how ridiculous some of OM traditions are.
I wonder how many jewish kids would want to go to Old Reich University. Did I mention that Old Reich University used to wave swastikas at their sporting events, go batshit about a mascot wearing an S.S. Uniform at games, and chant "the third reich will rise again" as the band plays Horst-Wessel-Leid (the nazi national anthem)?
Now I gotta ask, is it worth it? Is it worth it to promote symbols of hate especially when OM is trying to attract kids that might interpret the symbols at OM as "You're not welcomed here"?
Dixie is a beautiful song. An innocent song written before the civil war that I wish the Confederate army had never hijacked. As a southern kid born and raised in the Mississippi Delta, it will always give me chills when I hear it played. But it's time to ask yourself, why do we play it at football games? Does it still have a place?
I wonder how many jewish kids would want to go to Old Reich University. Did I mention that Old Reich University used to wave swastikas at their sporting events, go batshit about a mascot wearing an S.S. Uniform at games, and chant "the third reich will rise again" as the band plays Horst-Wessel-Leid (the nazi national anthem)?
Now I gotta ask, is it worth it? Is it worth it to promote symbols of hate especially when OM is trying to attract kids that might interpret the symbols at OM as "You're not welcomed here"?
Dixie is a beautiful song. An innocent song written before the civil war that I wish the Confederate army had never hijacked. As a southern kid born and raised in the Mississippi Delta, it will always give me chills when I hear it played. But it's time to ask yourself, why do we play it at football games? Does it still have a place?
Posted on 8/1/14 at 10:56 pm to YouDontKnowBro
Taking away confederate ties is just stupid. Its just another scapegoat. I can assure you there were many more universities with racial tensions back during the civil rights. And if the confederacy is considered racist......so is the US. Hell the North had slaves. Might as well say the American flag is racist. It flew over plantations in the north. The British flag waved on top of ships as they shipped slaves over seas.
What happens when we do get rid of all this stuff and still lose football games and recruits. What then?? It's more about money and competing with the big dogs than anything. I'm sorry but if I had three SEC offers and they were Ole Miss, Alabama, and Auburn. My eyes lean toward the two Alabama schools. It mainly all comes down to who has the better sports reputation. Not what was done in '62.
What happens when we do get rid of all this stuff and still lose football games and recruits. What then?? It's more about money and competing with the big dogs than anything. I'm sorry but if I had three SEC offers and they were Ole Miss, Alabama, and Auburn. My eyes lean toward the two Alabama schools. It mainly all comes down to who has the better sports reputation. Not what was done in '62.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 11:07 pm to RebelFreeze48
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I'm sorry but if I had three SEC offers and they were Ole Miss, Alabama, and Auburn. My eyes lean toward the two Alabama schools. It mainly all comes down to who has the better sports reputation. Not what was done in '62.
Because you're thinking like a middle aged white guy and not the 17-18 year old black kid that you're trying to attract to your University.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 11:29 pm to Lord of The Vaught
Mark my words folks, it's only a matter of time before we're no longer Ole Miss and it's only a matter of time before we're no longer the Rebels. You can't trust the Lyceum.
Didn't Chancellor Khayat once say that Colonel Reb would always be our mascot?
The University has used the students as a convenient scapegoat time and time again.
What about the "choice" the students had in picking a mascot in 2010? The University presented three possible mascot options they selected yet billed the selection of the Rebel Black Bear to the press as a "student decision."
As I said, it's only a matter of time before we're no longer Ole Miss and we're no longer the Rebels.
Didn't Chancellor Khayat once say that Colonel Reb would always be our mascot?
The University has used the students as a convenient scapegoat time and time again.
What about the "choice" the students had in picking a mascot in 2010? The University presented three possible mascot options they selected yet billed the selection of the Rebel Black Bear to the press as a "student decision."
As I said, it's only a matter of time before we're no longer Ole Miss and we're no longer the Rebels.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 11:30 pm to Tornado Alley
Also, the University still owns the licensing rights to Colonel Reb and pimps out the logo to various high schools across the Southeast.
You can't trust the Lyceum.
You can't trust the Lyceum.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 11:37 pm to RebelFreeze48
The song individually is not the problem but it's a part of a collective of things (statue incident, confederate flags, etc.) that every other schools use to paint Ole Miss in a bad light. That's why the Merideth incident was so damning. It gave many of those schools bad mouthing us as racist some validity. If you think something like that can't sway a 17year olds decision, your in denial.
It's not fair but it's something that can be, and is, used against us. You have to remove anything that can be used against you. The big deal is every single school in he west is using it against us to some success except for maybe Arkansas.
It's not fair but it's something that can be, and is, used against us. You have to remove anything that can be used against you. The big deal is every single school in he west is using it against us to some success except for maybe Arkansas.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 11:45 pm to LandBearShark
Multiple posters here claim to have knowledge that recruits have been swayed based off of our playing of Dixie and I still have yet to see any proof.
Why is no one talking about this?
Why do we have to make a big deal about our past when Alabama, who also needed National Guard assistance to segregate their institution, gets a pass?
Because we constantly apologize, which is becoming a hallmark of extreme liberalism in America. How many times have you watched or read news on the current Israeli/Palestinian conflict and heard that we're somehow at fault?
I was born in 1989. I went to a Mississippi public school. I've never discriminated against anyone and I've never known anyone to be discriminated against.
Get the frick over it.
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The big deal is every single school in he west is using it against us to some success except for maybe Arkansas.
Why is no one talking about this?
Why do we have to make a big deal about our past when Alabama, who also needed National Guard assistance to segregate their institution, gets a pass?
Because we constantly apologize, which is becoming a hallmark of extreme liberalism in America. How many times have you watched or read news on the current Israeli/Palestinian conflict and heard that we're somehow at fault?
I was born in 1989. I went to a Mississippi public school. I've never discriminated against anyone and I've never known anyone to be discriminated against.
Get the frick over it.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 11:47 pm to Tornado Alley
We can keep apologizing and become a fragmented version of the Ole Miss we all love, or we can stop giving a flying frick what outsiders think and continue to take our University to greater heights.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 11:51 pm to Tornado Alley
I agree. Put more money into the university and stop taking stuff away in fear of offending somebody. Our recruiting budget isn't like these other schools in the SEC. That's why the Alabamas, Auburns, Floridas, etc continue to recruit better than us. Not some racist past. Because I can assure you, all of those schools have had some sort of racist past.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 11:52 pm to RebelFreeze48
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Put more money into the university and stop taking stuff away in fear of offending somebody.
This is more of a societal issue and not just concentrated on our campus.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 11:54 pm to Tornado Alley
quote:Because, like any business, Ole Miss needs outsiders to grow.
we can stop giving a flying frick what outsiders think
Posted on 8/1/14 at 11:59 pm to BarstoolRodeo
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Because, like any business, Ole Miss needs outsiders to grow.
Wait, we're a business now?
Posted on 8/2/14 at 12:16 am to Tornado Alley
Posted on 8/2/14 at 12:16 am to Tornado Alley
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We can keep apologizing and become a fragmented version of the Ole Miss we all love, or we can stop giving a flying frick what outsiders think and continue to take our University to greater heights.
You don't get it.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 12:19 am to sorantable
Kendarius Webster on schools using Ole Miss' racist past in recruiting.
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Posted on 8/2/14 at 12:22 am to Lord of The Vaught
Nkemdiche's mother on what school's told her about Ole Miss.
Beverly realized pretty quickly that Ole Miss wouldn't be the most popular choice for her son, at least not with outsiders.
"I heard all of that," she said. "I know they haven't won an SEC championship since 1963. People told me all of that. They told me Ole Miss was a racist place and they hated black people. It's not a black and white issue for me. My son was there for a whole year and he didn't die. They didn't kill him."
Beverly realized pretty quickly that Ole Miss wouldn't be the most popular choice for her son, at least not with outsiders.
"I heard all of that," she said. "I know they haven't won an SEC championship since 1963. People told me all of that. They told me Ole Miss was a racist place and they hated black people. It's not a black and white issue for me. My son was there for a whole year and he didn't die. They didn't kill him."
Posted on 8/2/14 at 12:23 am to Lord of The Vaught
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"I heard all of that," she said. "I know they haven't won an SEC championship since 1963. People told me all of that. They told me Ole Miss was a racist place and they hated black people. It's not a black and white issue for me. My son was there for a whole year and he didn't die. They didn't kill him."
Posted on 8/2/14 at 12:23 am to Lord of The Vaught
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Kendarius Webster on schools using Ole Miss' racist past in recruiting.
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