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re: Will removing all these symbols rectify what caused the SC shooting?
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:14 pm to MoreLawdawg
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:14 pm to MoreLawdawg
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Sensible gun regulations will.
Are those gun regulations going to come with solutions to the state of mental health in this country? If not then that's a futile effort.
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Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:14 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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No one is doing this. I've yet to hear or read one proponent of the flag's removal intimating that that will be a panacea.
Who is offering any other solution or discussion as to the cause and the fix, besides gun control?
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:15 pm to Duke
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Complex issues with complex solutions never gain traction. So we do this song and dance with symbolic solutions and don't learn anything
Precisely
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:16 pm to Alahunter
It's hard to have room for much else when you stir up the old narrative of the yankees attacking southern tradition, even if many of us don't like the tradition.
Oh and Hunter, I plan to never be a cynic. I prefer delusion to despair.
Oh and Hunter, I plan to never be a cynic. I prefer delusion to despair.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:17 pm to Alahunter
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nothing else will be addressed or attempted to solve it
Sounds like a win-win.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:17 pm to Duke
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I plan to never be a cynic. I prefer delusion to despair.
Spoken like a true Ole Miss fan
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:18 pm to KajunGator
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Yes...because all the people who have committed these killings acquired their weapons the "legal" way. Make it harder to get weapons "legally" so these criminals can't get their hands on them.
Why can't people grasp BASIC fricking concepts like this? I mean, honestly
Criminals will always find illegal means to procure firearms. Period.
Kind of why we call them "criminals."
This post was edited on 6/23/15 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:19 pm to Duke
Cynicism =/= despair. In fact, it's kinda enlightening and gives one a sense of being able to move away from the emotional attachment to fruitless solutions to hard problems and address things which can be controlled and changed.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:21 pm to Alahunter
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I'm not saying removing these things from State's grounds may not be the right thing to do, but nationwide and even on here, it seems that media and many in the civil rights community have latched on to the idea that a piece of cloth is what caused the hatred and shooting that happened. Same with blaming guns.
No. This media frenzy relating to the flag by shithead progressive groups is taking the light off the victims of the tragic events families an placing it on the politicians and media talking heads. Shocking. Pure attention grabbing is all this is.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:22 pm to Alahunter
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Cynicism =/= despair
Maybe to you.
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gives one a sense of being able to move away from the emotional attachment to fruitless solutions to hard problems and address things which can be controlled and changed.
Yeah, but then what would we debate about?
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:23 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Why can't people grasp BASIC fricking concepts like this?
Because understanding that 1+1 doesn't always =2 (if you catch my drift) scares people. They want to compartmentalize the issue...shootings take guns, so gun control will limit shootings. They don't want to think about the variables.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:23 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Criminals will always find illegal means to procure firearms. Period.
Kind of why we call them "criminals."
Nothing to it actually, if your not picky you can pick up one within minutes, if you want one that's not hot or doesn't have a body on it might take 1/2 an hour
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:23 pm to Duke
Ah hell, I can debate anything.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:27 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Criminals will always find illegal means to procure firearms.
Nearly 80% of felonies involving a firearm are carried out with a gun that was not legally owned by the person committing the crime. Roughly a third are carried out using firearms obtained specifically on the black market.
The fact that liberal idiots ignore these numbers is fricking hilarious.
This post was edited on 6/23/15 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:30 pm to Alahunter
Flags and statues are merely symbols.
And I choose to leave symbols to the symbolminded.
And I choose to leave symbols to the symbolminded.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:36 pm to Alahunter
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had no criminal record
He had pending charges. Drug charges I believe. In my opinion, it is not a good idea to sell a firearm to a person with a case pending in a criminal court. It is not uncommon to impose bond conditions that restrict certain freedoms for individuals facing charges. This should be included universally.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:41 pm to MoreLawdawg
So I guess innocent until proven guilty makes no sense to you? Should that be struck from the legal process?
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:41 pm to MoreLawdawg
Innocent until proven guilty, pending charges are just that pending. Let's not go down the rabbit hole cause I hear you gotta frick some old dude for a $1000 a week if you do.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:52 pm to MoreLawdawg
The problem is the issue isn't generally those who get a license and register their firearms. We have a law here that prevents someone with back child support from getting their concealed carry license.
The guy who shot and killed a woman who was a state's witness recently had no license and by law was not supposed to be carrying a gun (had multiple felony convictions). It was also an unregistered gun with the numbers filed off. People aren't committing major gun crimes with legal weapons majority of the time.
The guy who shot and killed a woman who was a state's witness recently had no license and by law was not supposed to be carrying a gun (had multiple felony convictions). It was also an unregistered gun with the numbers filed off. People aren't committing major gun crimes with legal weapons majority of the time.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:52 pm to Alahunter
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And what will that do to prevent the next racist shooting, or killing?
I believe that two issues that are separate and distinct are being conflated in this discussion. How do we stop killing (whether motivated by race or a deranged kid who decides to kill a a bunch of children in school...or in inner cities)? Gun regulation. Period.
The race issue is not as easy to tackle and I honestly can not give you a clear answer. The flag on the SC capitol grounds was put in place in 1961 in opposition to desegregation. Its removal is certainly helpful. But at the end of the day, removing racist symbols on government property will not change what's in a person's heart. So I guess it's all an exercise in futility.
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