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re: Why should everyone be allowed to vote?
Posted on 5/8/15 at 9:33 am to Agforlife
Posted on 5/8/15 at 9:33 am to Agforlife
Just FYI, offender (which I hate, btw). Convict has a better "ring" to it. I'm quite sure you're aware of your status (I was of mine) but just in case, if you've completed you parole supervision, you can vote.
Effect of felony conviction, Texas
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Pursuant to Section 11.002 of the Texas Election Code (the "Code"), once a felon has successfully completed his or her punishment, including any term of incarceration, parole, supervision, period of probation, or has been pardoned, then that person is immediately eligible to register to vote.
Effect of felony conviction, Texas
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Posted on 5/8/15 at 10:02 am to Motengator
Yes I am fully aware of my status, and on March 31st of next year I fully intend to register again and (without going into specifics) on April 1st I will file my petition to restore all my rights.
Posted on 5/8/15 at 10:15 am to Agforlife
Good deal. It's the little things that get taken for granted in the free world, that I've come to appreciate, so much more than before.
In the process now, myself. Good luck
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April 1st I will file my petition to restore all my rights
In the process now, myself. Good luck
Posted on 5/8/15 at 10:17 am to pvilleguru
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I have my professional engineering license, yet apparently I wouldn't be able to vote.
I would be ok with some kind of test that proves they know who they are voting for. Or they have to answer some multiple choice questions about a lot of the topics and depending on their answers, they get results showing a compatibility percentage of all of the candidates. Could possibly help get rid of the two party system if people actually know they think along the same lines as some of the 3rd party candidates.
My recommendation is easier than the literacy tests that used to be given the blacks in the South. See the linked video.
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I was actually trying to go easy with that question. If it were totally up to me, I would require people to be able to solve a problem along the lines of:
A vehicle is travelling at exactly 30 m/s. A person in the vehicle fires a gun in the precise direction that the vehicle is traveling. The bullet leaves the barrel of the gun travelling at exactly 1000 m/s with respect to the barrel. Calculate the initial velocity of the bullet with respect to the ground, taking Special Relativity into account. Calculate the distance the bullet will travel before it hits the ground if the bullet's initial height above the ground is 4 m. Assume the acceleration due to gravity is 9.8 m/s^2. Neglect the effects of friction and assume the ground is flat.
An exam with questions like that would still be easier than those literacy tests.
Posted on 5/8/15 at 10:18 am to Agforlife
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Agforlife
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Motengator
Good luck to both of y'all!!!
Some damn good bull right there.
Posted on 5/8/15 at 10:19 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Actually, they told us that it was a ploy against blacks. We would have voter ID laws in every state if the liberals had said it was a ploy against illegal immigrants.
I get so confused trying to keep up with agendas these days
Posted on 5/8/15 at 10:19 am to hipgnosis
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Dogmatically trained, you mean.
Everyone is dogmatically trained, whether it's by your parents, your church, or your school.
Posted on 5/8/15 at 10:20 am to Masterag
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Quit acting like you didn't just learn this on cosmos last night, baw.
I haven't seen Cosmos, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
Posted on 5/8/15 at 10:30 am to MSUbulldogs03
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Exactly like Jim Crow laws except in today's time, everyone is granted the right to free education where they learn english, science, and math. If they don't take advantages of those rights, why should they be able to take advantage of the right to vote?
What if elitists took control of your jurisdiction and implemented my proposal (see my previous post with the train and bullet calculation) using your reasoning? Would you be happy? Probably not because I doubt you could solve it. It would benefit me, though. I can solve it and people who think like me can solve it. And once we've restricted voting to that level, there is nothing you can do to change it because you can't vote. You would be permanently disenfranchised, unless you can figure out how to solve second order differential equations and perform relativistic calculations. I doubt most people could, but maybe I'm wrong. That one case where I would be happy to be wrong.
This post was edited on 5/8/15 at 10:31 am
Posted on 5/8/15 at 10:38 am to Manzielathon
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You should have to have an ID, pay some sort of income or property taxes and have at LEAST a high school diploma or equivalent.
If you were to limit voting to property owners, think about all the ways that could go wrong.
First, the value of all property would increase because not only would it have economic utility, ownership would be a requirement to vote. If you own property, that sounds good until you consider the fact that your property taxes would also increase. Also, if you want to move, you better buy another home, otherwise you are giving up your voting privilege.
This would create an incentive for the wealthy to own more property, turning the rest of us into renters rather than owners. The percentage of "average Americans" with voting privileges would decrease over time. It wouldn't happen over night, but power would be concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer people over time, until we reach a point where we have something that resembles a feudal system.
Also, millions of old people would immediately lose their voting privileges because they don't own property, they're in nursing homes.
This post was edited on 5/8/15 at 10:39 am
Posted on 5/8/15 at 11:50 am to Papplesbeast
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Also, millions of old people would immediately lose their voting privileges because they don't own property, they're in nursing homes.
And you're eliminating a large number of people who simply rent condos/apartments to avoid the hassle of upkeep on a house/home.
Posted on 5/8/15 at 11:50 am to MSUbulldogs03
To vote you should have to meet the following:
1. Be at least a high school graduate and over age 18.
2. Either be employed (taxpayer) or a land owner or if over age 65 you were employed at least 20 years.
3. Photo ID should be required.
4. Convicted felons should not be allowed to vote.
Being convicted of attempting to circumvent these rules should land you in prison for 20 years-no parole. Voting is the most important thing we as Americans have.
1. Be at least a high school graduate and over age 18.
2. Either be employed (taxpayer) or a land owner or if over age 65 you were employed at least 20 years.
3. Photo ID should be required.
4. Convicted felons should not be allowed to vote.
Being convicted of attempting to circumvent these rules should land you in prison for 20 years-no parole. Voting is the most important thing we as Americans have.
Posted on 5/8/15 at 11:53 am to alphaandomega
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To vote you should have to meet the following:
1. Be at least a high school graduate and over age 18.
2. Either be employed (taxpayer) or a land owner or if over age 65 you were employed at least 20 years.
3. Photo ID should be required.
4. Convicted felons should not be allowed to vote.
Or, just take a simple test that shows you understand:
1. The voting system.
2. The nature of the parties involved.
3. General American Political theory.
4. Read Plato's Republic.
There we go.
Posted on 5/8/15 at 12:02 pm to MSUbulldogs03
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I get that we are all created equal. Black, white, yellow, red, we are all born equals, but we do not develop equally. Some people are better than other people. Why does the repeated convicted felons, sex offenders, drug abusing welfare leaches, and illiterate people's vote count the same as the every day citizen who actually benefits society in one way or the other?
How can someone who cannot even read the ballot be allowed to vote and count as much as a successful, educated man? Does it not make sense that the educated and successful people in society would be capable of voting in the best person to lead our country?
Being able to vote should be a privilege and not a right.
It seems like at a certain point, all pseudo-intellectuals reach this conclusion. And it's equally as stupid every time it gets presented. Just because someone is smart, that doesn't mean they are going to vote in any less of a utilitarian way, or that voting in our two party system takes any discernible amount of intelligence. People protect their own self interest, and that's the reason voting should ALWAYS be a right.
Posted on 5/8/15 at 12:42 pm to Papplesbeast
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30 m/s
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1000 m/s
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9.8 m/s^2.
If anyone can't answer this question they should be deported.
Answer: This is America, we don't use the metric system here. GTFO you commie bastard!
Posted on 5/8/15 at 12:43 pm to alphaandomega
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To vote you should have to meet the following:
1. Be at least a high school graduate and over age 18.
2. Either be employed (taxpayer) or a land owner or if over age 65 you were employed at least 20 years.
3. Photo ID should be required.
4. Convicted felons should not be allowed to vote.
Being convicted of attempting to circumvent these rules should land you in prison for 20 years-no parole. Voting is the most important thing we as Americans have.
What I find ironic about proposals like this is that the US already has pretty low voter participation. The people you want to exclude are also already the least likely to vote. Basically, your proposal is pretty much pointless and would only serve to increase the size of government (which would have to police this). But you're all for "small government", right?
Posted on 5/8/15 at 12:46 pm to MrLarson
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If anyone can't answer this question they should be deported.
Answer: This is America, we don't use the metric system here. GTFO you commie bastard!
Deport NASA! Those commies used the metric system to put men on the moon. The moon is probably a commie dictatorship already. Thanks NASA!
Posted on 5/8/15 at 12:49 pm to MrLarson
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This is America, we don't use the metric system here. GTFO you commie bastard!
You better tell Ford and GM.
Posted on 5/8/15 at 12:51 pm to Person of interest
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You better tell Ford and GM.
I was just giving the good ole smart arse answer. I have to use the metric system every day.
Posted on 5/8/15 at 12:56 pm to BluegrassBelle
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And you're eliminating a large number of people who simply rent condos/apartments to avoid the hassle of upkeep on a house/home.
Some people view the days when only property owning white males could vote as "the good 'ole days". Many of those people simply haven't considered the possibility that they could lose their own voting privilege if this type of system was implemented.
Here's another scenario that could pop up. Imagine you're looking to buy a house in a neighborhood with a good public school. You start looking at houses and find one you want to buy. You make an offer and the seller responds by asking your political affiliation. Imagine what would happen if Democrats banded together to keep Republicans from buying homes to suppress Republican voting, or vice versa. Wouldn't it suck to be denied a home because of your political affiliation?
I imagine most people supporting this type of voter suppression see themselves in the position of the seller, not the buyer. They don't even consider how these things could go wrong.
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