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re: What Are Your Thoughts Of Food Stamps
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:47 pm to Duke
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:47 pm to Duke
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Are they? A company is just as likely to defraud the system as an individual actor. Just you know, their fraud is at the expense of the people the programs would be trying to help.
There would be no system if the government was not involved. You used companies as an example but welfare would be spread over all of the private sector that includes religious and civic groups.
Since the money/goods for welfare would come from those groups, not taxpayers, they would be strongly motivated to maximize the efficiency of their programs. Inefficiency would threaten their abilities to provide the welfare, maybe even their existences.
Our present welfare system is a failure because the donors, taxpayers, have no input or influence upon the effectiveness or even the necessity of programs. Localizing welfare to private groups shrinks the power of overlords tremendously while maximizing the power of donors.
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Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:51 pm to Old Sarge
I live in Texas. DFW.
I never see it. I do see people in the grocery store buying food with it. With it being a card now, what you're speaking of has to have reduced greatly. Granted, I don't spend much time at gas stations other than fueling up and like most people I pay at the pump.
And I'm OK with a few asses getting pissed BC they can't buy beer or whatever with it. BC for everyone of those losers there are a hell of a lot more kids being fed.
I never see it. I do see people in the grocery store buying food with it. With it being a card now, what you're speaking of has to have reduced greatly. Granted, I don't spend much time at gas stations other than fueling up and like most people I pay at the pump.
And I'm OK with a few asses getting pissed BC they can't buy beer or whatever with it. BC for everyone of those losers there are a hell of a lot more kids being fed.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:53 pm to Kentucker
Wasn't a big for private outfit in the news a while back? They took a massive investment portfolio; paid a top CEO to run it and sunk their profits into homeless shelters and food kitchens. The news story was very interesting I wish I could remember the name
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:55 pm to Old Sarge
I haven't seen that story. I hope you can remember it. Sounds like it would be a good read if it was in no way connected to the government.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:55 pm to hoginthesw
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hoginthesw
Not saying get rid of it, but I want to see some real accountability built into the system. Whether you see it or not fraud is rampant from the people who receive the benifits and from crooked stores who exchange money at a discounted rate for it. It's an extremely complicated thing and it needs to be overhauled.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:56 pm to hoginthesw
I'm not a hater, again I feel we have to have a system to help make sure babies and kids get proper nutrition when the parents cannot afford to provide.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:04 pm to Old Sarge
I agree with Sarge on that. But most time the parents will feed snacks and not even cook for the said kids.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:07 pm to BulldogNation
It's impossible to say most of the time, though. You'd have to personally know and be involved with every family in america. 
I definitely agree that they need to use it to provide healthier options, but I also think all parents should do that on food stamps or not.
I definitely agree that they need to use it to provide healthier options, but I also think all parents should do that on food stamps or not.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:12 pm to hoginthesw
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You'd have to personally know and be involved with every family in america
Who said I'm not big brother
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:15 pm to pioneerbasketball
Govt assistance programs were created for a necessity. They have long since been ballooned to meet many unnecessary things, and hardly serve the original purpose anymore.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:17 pm to Kentucker
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I haven't seen that story. I hope you can remember it. Sounds like it would be a good read if it was in no way connected to the government.
Me to, I'm looking on google now.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:35 pm to Kentucker
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Since the money/goods for welfare would come from those groups, not taxpayers, they would be strongly motivated to maximize the efficiency of their programs. Inefficiency would threaten their abilities to provide the welfare, maybe even their existences.
I'm not sure there's enough money flowing to charity to meet the needs, though a tax credit type system for donations may provide some of the incentive.
Also, this kind of works in theory in urban areas but how would these organizations function in rural areas?
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Our present welfare system is a failure because the donors, taxpayers, have no input or influence upon the effectiveness or even the necessity of programs.
I don't think it's failed, but is more expensive than it needs to be for the benefits. We do have input on the system though, we call it elections.
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Localizing welfare to private groups shrinks the power of overlords tremendously while maximizing the power of donors.
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I think you're closer to the truth with this line of thinking. The problems with welfare stem from poor incentives but also from the ocean of bureaucracy and programs. Unfortunately I believe the government the only actor with the scale to get the aid where it needs to go. We just need less punishment for making more money and to streamline everything into one program with one overarching administrator.
Not perfect by any means, but it's never going to be.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:52 pm to hoginthesw
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With it being a card now, what you're speaking of has to have changed greatly.
Fify
The most common scam now is the local convenience store that either checks out non-food items as food for an inflated price or gives cash in exchange for imaginary food items.
Where there's a government program, there's a scammer ready to take advantage.
This post was edited on 6/17/15 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:34 pm to the808bass
As the system was designed it was a noble system but now there is too much fraud and abuse. It needs to be shut down and restarted.
I also believe that if you want food stamps you should have to pass regular undisclosed drug test.
If employees have to pass them so should people taking food stamps.
I also believe that if you want food stamps you should have to pass regular undisclosed drug test.
If employees have to pass them so should people taking food stamps.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:35 pm to Duke
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We do have input on the system though, we call it elections.
You would think. However, that's not the case anymore in our decaying system of government.
Elected politicians' attention is focused on getting power and then maintaining it, getting elected and then re-elected. They don't have the impetus to delve into the innards of a corrupt program and root out the causes of its rot. When they determine that they'd have to get involved in an enormous effort, they switch attention to another program, usually a social issue that demands only their condemnation or support. Especially at the federal level, elected politicians are so insulated from the workings of programs that they take almost no personal involvement in its functions.
They leave that to the rank and file workers, who are not elected. Thus, over the decades the power of this group of federal workers has risen so dramatically that one federal agency, the CDC, was even making laws without the oversight, or input, of any elected officers.
So, imagine the influence of thousands of rank and file workers in federal welfare programs who want to see their agencies grow. In the absence of politicians who are distracted by the need to gain and nurture their power in government circles, it is the rank and file worker who is failing to abide by, or purposely ignoring the rules of the program and this is the cause of decay in many of our federal programs, welfare or not.
Giving stuff away is a kind of power and generates intrinsic rewards. These people have access to what they imagine are "their" programs and it is their "right," even their "duty" to take care of as many needy people as possible. The problem is they define "needy," not the taxpayer or his representative.
This post was edited on 6/17/15 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:41 pm to bbvdd
I am 100% against drug testing for food stamps. Why would you take away food from a child? They have no fault in their parents failing drug tests, but are the ones who would have to pay the price.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:43 pm to hoginthesw
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am 100% against drug testing for food stamps. Why would you take away food from a child? They have no fault in their parents failing drug tests, but are the ones who would have to pay the price.
Yeah but here's the rub, momma or daddy is going to take that card to a local c store and trade it out for cash to buy dope, so the kid is still suffering, it sucks but it's true.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:46 pm to Kentucker
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Elected politicians' attention is focused on getting power and then maintaining it, getting elected and then re-elected. They don't have the impetus to delve into the innards of a corrupt program and root out the causes of its rot. When they determine that they'd have to get involved in an enormous effort, they switch attention to another program, usually a social issue that demands only their condemnation or support.
And we let them get away with it. We have the government we deserve.
You're making an argument for a better informed electorate. A public more interested in news of corruption and waste than who wants new naughty bits.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:51 pm to Duke
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You're making an argument for a better informed electorate. A public more interested in news of corruption and waste than who wants new naughty bits.
Every great nation in history that couldn't be defeated from without has decayed from within and fallen. Our fate will be no different apparently. Still, it's humorous to think that America will fall because of our collective obsession with naughty bits.
This post was edited on 6/17/15 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 6/17/15 at 2:56 pm to Agforlife
Should disabled people who can't work be able to receive food stamps, or should we let them fend for themselves too?
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