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re: We need more towns like Murrieta, CA
Posted on 7/4/14 at 1:15 pm to kywildcatfanone
Posted on 7/4/14 at 1:15 pm to kywildcatfanone
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and people who have no interest in assimilating into the US culture.
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 1:20 pm to AGoodTexan
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“Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or leave the country.” -Teddy Roosevelt
There are plenty of people born here that can barely speak the English language, and that's being generous.
I've met a ton of people in other countries that speak English better than most Americans do.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 1:23 pm to CatFan81
That's kinda sad.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 1:24 pm to AGoodTexan
I pretty much live in Murrieta.
Today will be a powder keg if the police try and use force against the protesters. There's only one way in the facility, and people are everywhere.
It will look really bad if the local police use force against their own peeps. Murrieta is a pretty small town by SoCal standards.
Should be interesting.
Today will be a powder keg if the police try and use force against the protesters. There's only one way in the facility, and people are everywhere.
It will look really bad if the local police use force against their own peeps. Murrieta is a pretty small town by SoCal standards.
Should be interesting.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 2:27 pm to Duke
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What do you propose we do about those already here? Kick millions out? I'm sure that's cheap and efficient solution.
How many tickets do you have to write to keep people nearer the speed limit? It's not 100% of speeders. And it's not even 10%.
If you practically don't enforce a law, it will be ignored. If you enforce a law for even 3% of those who break it, you'll see a much different effect. If you enforce the law on employees, there's much fewer jobs for illegals.
You don't need 100% effectiveness to have a really good result.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 2:47 pm to the808bass
There's speeding which pays for the expense of the cop with just one and there's loading up a million undocumented people from all over the country and shipping them home in mass.
A secure border that we send people home if they're caught there. Obviously is necessary. The disincentive is the difficult crossing. And the obvious difficulties in not having papers. Those already here though, moral hazard be damned, it makes more sense to get them on a path to be citizens so we can have tabs on em and start getting some tax revenue.
Of course there's the whole broken entitlement system, but let's not go down that rabbit hole today.
A secure border that we send people home if they're caught there. Obviously is necessary. The disincentive is the difficult crossing. And the obvious difficulties in not having papers. Those already here though, moral hazard be damned, it makes more sense to get them on a path to be citizens so we can have tabs on em and start getting some tax revenue.
Of course there's the whole broken entitlement system, but let's not go down that rabbit hole today.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 2:53 pm to Duke
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A secure border that we send people home if they're caught there. Obviously is necessary. The disincentive is the difficult crossing. And the obvious difficulties in not having papers. Those already here though, moral hazard be damned, it makes more sense to get them on a path to be citizens so we can have tabs on em and start getting some tax revenue.
Fines on businesses employing illegals would provide some revenue for this program. As for your "tax them" idea, it would take a lot of tax revenue to make up for the unskilled labor currently here and their drain on society. They're not investment bankers.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 3:11 pm to the808bass
Still gotta pay FICA. I'm under the impression we have some numbers issue with that one. More people paying in certainly won't help.
Instead the proposition is a mass expulsion. Taking people out of the economy. Taking children who are the ones who will actually be viable members of the economy out, because we'll frick em.
The mass exodus is impractical and we'll be kicking out potential. Obviously we need to slow the increase in illegals coming in now and make it harder to get here illegally. Secure the border. Kick those currently coming out when they get caught. There's a disincentive right there.
Let's be honest too, they're risking their life savings and physical lives to get here. Do you think much of any of this will actually stop them coming? So it makes the most sense to make it difficult to get across the border, make it easier to immigrate here legally (documentation is useful) and not waste our money and time deporting people when it will do little to stop the flow of illegals.
Instead the proposition is a mass expulsion. Taking people out of the economy. Taking children who are the ones who will actually be viable members of the economy out, because we'll frick em.
The mass exodus is impractical and we'll be kicking out potential. Obviously we need to slow the increase in illegals coming in now and make it harder to get here illegally. Secure the border. Kick those currently coming out when they get caught. There's a disincentive right there.
Let's be honest too, they're risking their life savings and physical lives to get here. Do you think much of any of this will actually stop them coming? So it makes the most sense to make it difficult to get across the border, make it easier to immigrate here legally (documentation is useful) and not waste our money and time deporting people when it will do little to stop the flow of illegals.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 3:40 pm to Duke
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Only because the Republicans don't bother with brown people.
2 of the most prolific republican senators are right now are brown people.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 3:51 pm to 3nOut
Sigh...
In the context I mean they are only future democrats because the GOP doesn't bother courting the minority vote. Rand Paul is at least changing that.
In the context I mean they are only future democrats because the GOP doesn't bother courting the minority vote. Rand Paul is at least changing that.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 3:58 pm to Duke
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In the context I mean they are only future democrats because the GOP doesn't bother courting the minority vote. Rand Paul is at least changing that.
Fair enough. I agree with the party as a whole is guilty of that, but a lot of people dismiss the "tea party" and the likes of Cruz, Lee, Paul, and Rubio because they don't line up lock and step with the GOP, when their solutions are also very viable. Rubio and Paul specifically in the race side of things.
Boehner and Reid collectively need to be put out to pasture.
This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:04 pm to 3nOut
I don't like Cruz because I think he's a slime opportunist taking advantage of the conservative rage to promote himself.
I like Rubio and Paul, especially Paul. He's too conservative for my politics but he's better than everything else out there.
To my original point, just imagine what tightening the margin of the black vote could do in a state like Ohio.
I like Rubio and Paul, especially Paul. He's too conservative for my politics but he's better than everything else out there.
To my original point, just imagine what tightening the margin of the black vote could do in a state like Ohio.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:05 pm to Duke
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just imagine what tightening the margin of the black vote could do
Period.
Tbqh.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:09 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Certainly. The racists of the base and the party just assume the black vote is lost because they're poor and lazy just looking for a handout. Actually engaging them...
It's going to take a long time to get a sizable share but like 18% could win a Republican the Presidency
It's going to take a long time to get a sizable share but like 18% could win a Republican the Presidency
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:13 pm to Duke
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The racists of the base and the party just assume the black vote is lost because they're poor and lazy just looking for a handout.
Yup, and it's annoying.
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It's going to take a long time to get a sizable share but like 18% could win a Republican the Presidency
Agreed.
And although I'd selfishly like to see more black people vote Republican, I really just want to see a departure from the group think mindset.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:17 pm to Duke
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I don't like Cruz because I think he's a slime opportunist taking advantage of the conservative rage to promote himself.
From watching his candidacy from infancy I feel you are completely wrong. Now that probably comes from our different political standpoints more so than one of us being incorrect. Maybe a little self promoting, but his points are 100% spot on. And he is literally smarter than 90% of either sides of the aisle. Every reporter or politician that tries to put him in a corner gets schooled.
I hate the majority of the GOP base right now but that guy is legit. I sincerely feel that our opinions would be switched if we had different parties.
ETA:
To your point in the black vote, Carolina Tide's thread is infuriating because I'm sure that a lot of the black population would be shocked to find out where they lie in points instead of being told.
This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:34 pm to Duke
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Certainly. The racists of the base and the party just assume the black vote is lost because they're poor and lazy just looking for a handout. Actually engaging them...
Meh, there's an argument on the other side too. Obviously the GOP should court the black vote more, but the sheer number of black voters that just wont vote for the GOP regardless of anything is huge.
Obama 2008 increased black voter turnout is almost the entire reason Prop 8 passed in California, despite the fact that the state Democrat party was almost unanimously against it.
There's a lot of similarities in the blanket beliefs of the minority community in general, especially on issues of religion (which I hate in politics) that really jive with the GOP platform. There's just a belief that most efforts bringing those to the forefront fall on deaf ears simply because they're Republican beliefs.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 9:23 pm to Mizzeaux
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the sheer number of black voters that just wont vote for the GOP regardless of anything is huge.
It's almost like ignoring a demographic for 30 years will make them think you don't like them.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 9:33 pm to AGoodTexan
Step 1. Legalise drugs and thus end the cartel violence in Mexico and Cental America.
Step 2. Streamline the process of getting work visas.
Step 3. End the nanny state.
Immigrants aren't the problem. The handouts are the problem.
Step 2. Streamline the process of getting work visas.
Step 3. End the nanny state.
Immigrants aren't the problem. The handouts are the problem.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 10:19 pm to Duke
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It's almost like ignoring a demographic for 30 years will make them think you don't like them.
Or just listening to one party tell you they are ignoring you or going to put you back in shackles. One of the two.
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