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re: UPDATE: New Orleans City Council votes to remove Confederate monuments
Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:23 am to DownSouthJukin
Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:23 am to DownSouthJukin
I'm confident that whatever positive "impact" tearing down the statues would have is not worth the time and money required to tear the statues down and put something in their place.
They also weren't worth putting up, but that's a sunk cost.
They also weren't worth putting up, but that's a sunk cost.
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:23 am to 1 Damn Good Dawg Man
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No one is blowin' up a place of historical significance
Yeah I mean, like, has this ever happened in our country ever???
Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:50 am to PrivatePublic
I wonder if the people supporting the removal of the monuments think we should tear down all forms of art that they deem offensive.
Should we start burning offensive books too?
Should we start burning offensive books too?
Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:54 am to Crowknowsbest
It's not about positive impact
The CSA was an enemy of the United States of America. Period. Why should we have a statue up basically honoring these men who supported slavery and fought to keep those ideals around? We don't honor our enemies. And don't even say the war wasn't about enslaving another race of people. You have to be blind or ignorant to history or both not to see that.
Of course we aren't trying to be revisionist historians. I'm all for persevering our American history but there are portions of it that should not be honored. Those statues belong in a museum just as Nazi history, the KKK, or imperialist Japanese kamikazes during WWII belong in a museum. For the simple fact that we can acknowledge the history and culture of these groups all while not honoring them by making them synonymous with and representative of the state
The CSA was an enemy of the United States of America. Period. Why should we have a statue up basically honoring these men who supported slavery and fought to keep those ideals around? We don't honor our enemies. And don't even say the war wasn't about enslaving another race of people. You have to be blind or ignorant to history or both not to see that.
Of course we aren't trying to be revisionist historians. I'm all for persevering our American history but there are portions of it that should not be honored. Those statues belong in a museum just as Nazi history, the KKK, or imperialist Japanese kamikazes during WWII belong in a museum. For the simple fact that we can acknowledge the history and culture of these groups all while not honoring them by making them synonymous with and representative of the state
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:13 am to Mullet Flap
this thread is all sorts of effed up. i'm agreeing moderately with people i hate and sorta kinda disagreeing with people i like.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:19 am to Mullet Flap
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we can acknowledge the history and culture of these groups all while not honoring them by making them synonymous with and representative of the state
Well said.
The south is about more than that time period.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:26 am to Mullet Flap
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Why should we have a statue up basically honoring these men who supported slavery and fought to keep those ideals around? We don't honor our enemies. And don't even say the war wasn't about enslaving another race of people. You have to be blind or ignorant to history or both not to see that.
I'm not arguing that at all. My argument is that it isn't worth the trouble. They're statues.
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For the simple fact that we can acknowledge the history and culture of these groups all while not honoring them by making them synonymous with and representative of the state
I'm looking at this as a resident of Richmond, VA. The Confederacy and its leadership are synonymous with and representative of the city whether the statues stay up or not.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:40 am to DownSouthJukin
Confederate monuments are what made New Orleans a shithole for years. As soon as this is taken care of I expect murder rates to plummet, fathers to participate in raising their children, people to get jobs and not walk around with their hands out.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:42 am to Stonehog
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wonder if the people supporting the removal of the monuments think we should tear down all forms of art that they deem offensive.
Should we start burning offensive books too?
Anyone gonna try to tackle this? Tbird?
Should we remove all forms of offensive art, or just the pieces that are offensive to black people?
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:51 am to Stonehog
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Anyone gonna try to tackle this? Tbird?
How's about you tackle being wrong about A&M traditions first, ol' sport?
I see you duckin'.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 10:52 am
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:58 am to TbirdSpur2010
Ok. Not all of A&M's traditions are racist.
Your turn.
Your turn.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:08 am to Stonehog
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Ok. Not all of A&M's traditions are racist.
Nice try. Find me a racist one and get back to me
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Your turn.
Should we remove all forms of offensive art, or just the pieces that are offensive to black people?
Depends on the setting. Museum context, certainly not. Political seats should most definitely strive to be non-divisive since they represent a diverse demographic.
The reason this is a discussion regarding black people is because that's the minority most affected by the confederate cause. I'm not about art that offensive in general, though. You know my wife's ethnicity. Racism towards her raises just as much ire from me.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 11:13 am
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:17 am to DownSouthJukin
Are they closing Cafe Du Monde? Can I still get a hand grenade? Will my walk through Treme(during daylight only of course) to Willie Mae's to get fried chicken be impeded at all? Can I still lose money at Harrah's?
No? Then they can do whatever they want.
No? Then they can do whatever they want.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:23 am to TeLeFaWx
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Are they closing Cafe Du Monde?
Yes, too French.
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Can I still get a hand grenade?
No, the connotation is violent and offensive.
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fried chicken
Racist.
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Can I still lose money at Harrah's?
Only $5 bills will be allowed.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:59 am to 1 Damn Good Dawg Man
Georgia is going to put a statue of MLK on the top of Stone Mountain to commemorate his speech "I have a dream" which refers to "Stone Mountain of Georgia"
So the KKK gets the side of the mountain and the NAACP gets the top of the rock I spose.
So the KKK gets the side of the mountain and the NAACP gets the top of the rock I spose.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 12:10 pm to five_fivesix
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I say we blast the Washington Monument and Jefferson Memorial into dust. Rename the Capitol, burn Mt Vernon, replace the portraits on the $1 and $2 bills, purge any and all references to those deplorable slave owners.
Now we're talking. All of these "great men" and founding fathers were more than fine with the subjugation of any peoples not white. It is about time that we wipe clean the horrors of the past and move forward with a better and more sterile America.
Hopefully soon, we can find any organization that bears a racist surname of a former slave owner and get that stuff changed too.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:26 pm to DownSouthJukin
I'm pretty anti-govt, anti-status quo.
I don't hold a large amount of affection for Confederate symbols, though. I don't really identify with it in any way.
I don't hold a large amount of affection for Confederate symbols, though. I don't really identify with it in any way.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 12:20 am to Cheese Grits
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Hitler did the same thing on his way to a new Germany.
When you forget history, someone will try to get you to groupthink. At they point freedom has already been lost.
You seriously can't be this stupid
.Posted on 12/18/15 at 12:40 am to Stonehog
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I wonder if the people supporting the removal of the monuments think we should tear down all forms of art that they deem offensive.
There's a big difference between honoring someone/something that is offensive and honoring someone whose entire purpose in life was to kill, beat, and rape an entire race just because of how they looked. But going by your logic, then it is safe to assume that you wouldn't find issue if some radical muslim group used tax payer money to erect a statue of Osama Bin Laden in the U.S.??? You would totally support it, right???
I swear, some of you Southerners need to accept the fact that what the confederacy did was WRONG. Own it and move on. You don't see Germany using public money to erect and maintain statues of Hitler, so why do you insist on keeping statues of Robert E. Lee??? He lost the war, he's a loser. Move on.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 9:51 am to greenbastard
Gotta love all the confederate apologists on this site.
"The war of northern aggression!!!!"
"The war of northern aggression!!!!"
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