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re: UPDATE: New Orleans City Council votes to remove Confederate monuments
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:23 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:23 pm to TbirdSpur2010
These monuments have been there for decades. They aren't causing anyone any problems, unless, of course, you need some voters.
Repeating what? A war between the States on the same basis as was before?
Arlington-Robert E. Lee's estate prior to the war. No doubt, it was built by slave labor. Should it be destroyed? Are we celebrating foibles by placing our honored military dead upon the grounds there?
Repeating what? A war between the States on the same basis as was before?
Arlington-Robert E. Lee's estate prior to the war. No doubt, it was built by slave labor. Should it be destroyed? Are we celebrating foibles by placing our honored military dead upon the grounds there?
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:28 pm to DownSouthJukin
Tbird won't be able to reconcile his own hypocrisy in this matter. Everything he identifies with was anti-black at some point.
The state of Texas was anti-black.
Texas A&M University was anti-black.
The U.S. military was anti-black.
All those are ok though. It's the confederate monuments in New Orleans that need to come down. Because they're anti-black.
The state of Texas was anti-black.
Texas A&M University was anti-black.
The U.S. military was anti-black.
All those are ok though. It's the confederate monuments in New Orleans that need to come down. Because they're anti-black.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:30 pm to DownSouthJukin
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These monuments have been there for decades. They aren't causing anyone any problems
Never should have been put up in the first place, and clearly they are a problem for a lot of folks or we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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unless, of course, you need some voters.
Meh, you can turn literally any social issue into a political football if you dislike it (I vote GOP, for the record).
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Repeating what? A war between the States on the same basis as was before?
You tell me
You're the one who posited that removing them would result in repeating that mistake. I was just saying by that logic, the opposite could also be true. Of course such a reprisal of said mistakes would have different geneses depending on our respective hypotheticals, but again, if we're going by the same logic, that point stands. quote:
Arlington-Robert E. Lee's estate prior to the war. No doubt, it was built by slave labor. Should it be destroyed?
IDGAF.
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Are we celebrating foibles by placing our honored military dead upon the grounds there?
Their cause was not honorable, and their military literally attempted to overthrow the USA. So, yes.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:36 pm to Stonehog
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Stonehog
I'm faring well this evening, thanks for asking
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The state of Texas was anti-black.
Texas A&M University was anti-black.
The U.S. military was anti-black.
All three of those entities saw the error of their ways and took great pains to rescind those negative associations (an ongoing process in some areas). I see no hypocrisy in hoping the south follows suit.
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It's the confederate monuments in New Orleans that need to come down. Because they're anti-black.
The OP asked for thoughts on the matter, and I provided mine. They don't agree with yours (ostensibly....we both know the game you're playing here
), and that's alright. New Orleans' confederate monuments will stay up or come down regardless of my druthers on the matter. This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:40 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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You're the one who posited that removing them would result in repeating that mistake.
I meant repeating a civil war-but not one upon the same basis as the last. I took foibles to mean the shortcomings that caused the civil war-and no one is celebrating those.
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Their cause was not honorable, and their military literally attempted to overthrow the USA. So, yes.
You're in the military. Do you know who's buried at Arlington?
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 7:06 am
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:40 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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All three of those entities saw the error of their ways and took great pains to rescind those negative associations. I see no hypocrisy in hoping the south follows suit.
The traditions and rituals at A&M all come from a time when segregation was celebrated. Yet you still participate.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:42 pm to DownSouthJukin
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I meant repeating a civil war-but not one upon the same basis as the last.
I meant the same.
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You're in the military. Do you know who's buried at Arlington?
Yup. (No longer in the military btw--left the service this year
)Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:46 pm to Stonehog
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The traditions and rituals at A&M all come from a time when segregation was celebrated. Yet you still participate.
They do not all (RE: Maroon Out, proposing at the Aggie Ring, etc.) come from such a time--you're mistaken.
Furthermore, all those from said time (i.e., Muster, Silver Taps, Ring Dunk, Aggie Yells) are not of a racially divisive nature.
Lastly, the majority of those that were racially divisive (say, for instance "slave sales" and exclusively black Corps of Cadets groups) are or have gone the way of the dodo bird because of a concerted effort to deemphasize such on campus. Again, an ongoing process, to be sure.
Try once more, Stonehog. Try once more
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:46 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I edited-see above.
I forgot-congrats on completing your service, and thank you.
What I meant was that you aren't suggesting that those buried at Arlington are all Confederate dead, correct?
And about those Confederate graves-should we remove all headstones and markers, and, perhaps dig up those remains and place them in a hidden mass grave, else we be seen as commemorating or celebrating those soldiers buried there?
I forgot-congrats on completing your service, and thank you.
What I meant was that you aren't suggesting that those buried at Arlington are all Confederate dead, correct?
And about those Confederate graves-should we remove all headstones and markers, and, perhaps dig up those remains and place them in a hidden mass grave, else we be seen as commemorating or celebrating those soldiers buried there?
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:49 pm to DownSouthJukin
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I forgot-congrats on completing your service, and thank you.
Man, I complained while I was in WAY too much to deserve any thanks, but I appreciate it
Please pray for my wife--she's finishing out her active duty term up in Missouri while I've started my civilian job in Texas and she's having a rough go of it. Main reason I'm up way too late online instead of sleeping with her 
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What I meant was that you aren't suggesting that those buried at Arlington are all Confederate dead, correct?
No, not what I was suggesting. My apologies for being confusing. I'm tired
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:54 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I thought she was still up there. Living a married life apart is difficult. Been there, done that. FaceTime is your friend.
I'll leave this to y'all for the evening. Have fun with it.
I'll leave this to y'all for the evening. Have fun with it.
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:57 pm to DownSouthJukin
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And about those Confederate graves-should we remove all headstones and markers, and, perhaps dig up those remains and place them in a hidden mass grave, else we be seen as commemorating or celebrating those dishonorable souls buried there?
Nah, I'm not about that exhuming game--shite's kinda macabre
Simple markers/headstones are fine in my book.
And trying to overthrow the USA (especially in the name of racial inequality) is indeed dishonorable. I don't speak for everyone, of course, but personally, I take that seriously.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:58 pm to DownSouthJukin
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Living a married life apart is difficult. Been there, done that. FaceTime is your friend.
Thanks, DSJ. Appreciate the encouragement. Only about 3 more months of FaceTiming left, thank God!
Have a good night
Posted on 12/17/15 at 12:00 am to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 12/17/15 at 12:57 am to DownSouthJukin
The south was wrong. Slavery was wrong. Tell me who disagrees with this. Who. Where are the white people wanting to bring back slavery? Where are they? This racist attitude does not exist anymore by anyone in power and not in the general population. Everyone knows this and because there are no real boogy men to defeat we must create new ones because if there are no more racist and there are no more injustices then we have no excuses for our failure. We must keep the myth alive that blacks are oppressed. What will they do when the statues are gone?
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:39 am to DownSouthJukin
History is written by the victors. I think it's incredible that monuments for the losers still stand 150 years after the Civil War.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:33 am to Kentucker
The history was written by the winners. We all believe the propagada. When will you have enough. Just curious
Posted on 12/17/15 at 5:46 am to DownSouthJukin
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Erasing history is a step toward forgetting it, which is a step toward repeating it.
:kige:
Posted on 12/17/15 at 6:38 am to Cheese Grits
This is just sad. The sheep forget how all of this tear down the CSA business got started to begin with. Sudden feigned outrage over the church killings in the Carolinas. That's right, faked outrage.
A campaign pre planned and just waiting for some excuse to go with it. The same thing Obama has tried to do with your guns.
I know there is no way to prove it, but the very men whose statues and monuments are being removed would have never supported the actions of the man that shot those black Christians down in a house of worship.
A campaign pre planned and just waiting for some excuse to go with it. The same thing Obama has tried to do with your guns.
I know there is no way to prove it, but the very men whose statues and monuments are being removed would have never supported the actions of the man that shot those black Christians down in a house of worship.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 6:43 am
Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:14 am to 1234567k
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What will they do when the statues are gone?
Get jobs?
Lol, jk no they won't.
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