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Posted on 3/24/15 at 10:46 pm to the808bass
Posted on 3/24/15 at 10:46 pm to the808bass
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The gay marriage argument has gone round the bend. Marriage is for the propagation of the species physically and socially. This is best accomplished with a father and a mother. None of that is really the purview of the government. There has never existed a universal right to marriage.
Ah. But it is under the purview of the govt as it is now. They got themselves in the marriage business. I agree that govt shouldn't have anything to do with marriage, and only recognize civil unions, which could be any two or more people in a particular living arrangement. But since they are, there's no reason they should deny gay marriage. Your argument does not prove that GM is a negative, only that is does not propitiate the species. Well, neither does old people marriage.
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 10:55 pm to the808bass
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What is the religious right's position on premarital sex and birth control with respect to government?
Inconsistent
Those who support bans on gay marriage but believe people should have the freedom to divorce for reasons other than infidelity are hypocrites.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:07 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Those who support bans on gay marriage but believe people should have the freedom to divorce for reasons other than infidelity are hypocrites.
I would propose that most who are against gay marriage are only in favor of divorce in cases on infidelity and even then, they would push for reconciliation.
I don't know many that fall into that mold you described, but our Jesusy people may be different.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:43 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:FIFY
Religious people are hypocrites.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 12:50 am to Roger Klarvin
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Those who support bans on gay marriage but believe people should have the freedom to divorce for reasons other than infidelity are hypocrites.
I don't support a ban on gay marriage. I do not see gay marriage as expedient for our society. But we do all sorts of non-expedient things.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 12:54 am to Masterag
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The rest of the civilized world, who does actual sex Ed, has half the teen pregnancy rates that we do.
I'll ask the question again: how many states mandate abstinence-only sex education?
Posted on 3/25/15 at 12:55 am to Masterag
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Your argument does not prove that GM is a negative, only that is does not propitiate the species. Well, neither does old people marriage.
Cars up on blocks don't drive on roads. That doesn't change the fundamental purpose of a car.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 8:01 am to the808bass
Posted on 3/25/15 at 8:08 am to the808bass
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Cars up on blocks don't drive on roads. That doesn't change the fundamental purpose of a car.
...and when was the last time you were able to pass inspection and get registration on a car on blocks?
Posted on 3/25/15 at 8:09 am to Masterag
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and when was the last time you were able to pass inspection and get registration on a car on blocks?
Yesterday
Posted on 3/25/15 at 8:21 am to Agforlife
Mmkay
Posted on 3/25/15 at 8:22 am to the808bass
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I don't support a ban on gay marriage. I do not see gay marriage as expedient for our society. But we do all sorts of non-expedient things.
This is a good example of the conservative problem with gay marriage. You state you're not supportive of a ban and then expand that you don't see it as expedient for society. A whole page of arguing with you about gay marriage follows. You're not wrong, but the response you got shows where most not politically religious stand on the issue.
It's a tiny needle to thread to keep the important religious vote showing up without alienating too many others for being "out of touch".
Posted on 3/25/15 at 8:32 am to Duke
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You're not wrong, but the response you got shows where most not politically religious stand on the issue.
Lots of people haven't thought about the issue critically past "ifn they love each other, they should git married." If I must bring the sunlight, I will.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 8:42 am to the808bass
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Lots of people haven't thought about the issue critically past "ifn they love each other, they should git married." If I must bring the sunlight, I will.
I appreciate your fight, but there's not a win in it for you. At the end of the day the "they love each other and should get married" is what matters to people. Good luck overcoming the emotional drive of the issue with whatever cold logic you use.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 8:53 am to 3nOut
I'll touch on gay marriage. Knowing that our country was founded upon the freedom of religion and separation of church and state, can anyone give a legit answer as to why gays should not be allowed to marry? That means you can't quote the bible, refer to Jesus or God, or any religious statement on marriage.
As for my moderate stance, I laugh at the notion that I am anything but moderate. Sure, if you put a fence on the line between right and left, I'm probably on the left of it. But, I am leaning on the fence talking to the guy on the other side. Heck, I'll probably pick some grass from his side.
As for my moderate stance, I laugh at the notion that I am anything but moderate. Sure, if you put a fence on the line between right and left, I'm probably on the left of it. But, I am leaning on the fence talking to the guy on the other side. Heck, I'll probably pick some grass from his side.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 8:55 am to Duke
I do have to wonder where the fight to get government out of marriage was before the recent gay marriage hoopla. I'm sure it was there to a small degree, but I never heard much about it. Now all of a sudden many people have a problem with it? I don't really buy it, and I think many just use it as a cover for their personal beliefs against homosexuality, partially attributable to those that label anyone against gay marriage as bigots.
This isn't directed at anyone in this thread, just an observation I've made.
This isn't directed at anyone in this thread, just an observation I've made.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:01 am to The Spleen
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I do have to wonder where the fight to get government out of marriage was before the recent gay marriage hoopla. I'm sure it was there to a small degree, but I never heard much about it. Now all of a sudden many people have a problem with it? I don't really buy it
There has been a government minimalization push recently, but yes the motivation for this particular one is obvious. It is looking for a way around the issue without supporting gay marriages while not supporting banning gays in particular from marriage.
Yeah, I've noticed that too.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:07 am to Duke
"out of sight, out of mind." They didn't have to deal with it because there wasn't enough of an issue to address it.
I don't know how it started, but being gay is no longer universally shamed. I'd think that there were gay people in earlier times who simply married the opposite sex to have "normal" lives.
Using House of Cards as a political reference...Francis Underwood had some implied gay moments, but he is obviously married to claire for political purposes.
I don't know how it started, but being gay is no longer universally shamed. I'd think that there were gay people in earlier times who simply married the opposite sex to have "normal" lives.
Using House of Cards as a political reference...Francis Underwood had some implied gay moments, but he is obviously married to claire for political purposes.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:11 am to Duke
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I appreciate your fight, but there's not a win in it for you.
Truth itself is a win.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:14 am to The Spleen
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I do have to wonder where the fight to get government out of marriage was before the recent gay marriage hoopla. I'm sure it was there to a small degree, but I never heard much about it. Now all of a sudden many people have a problem with it? I don't really buy it, and I think many just use it as a cover for their personal beliefs against homosexuality, partially attributable to those that label anyone against gay marriage as bigots.
It is driven by the push for homosexual marriage. Just as the left has pushed homosexual marriage through their channels for 4 decades now. It's amazing how far we've come without really even realizing it. In 2008, Obama viewed the issue as toxic enough to come out opposed to gay marriage. Now, 6 or 7 years later, anyone taking that position is a bigot. It's like we have to be agnostic towards history to pretend that this is just a natural progression of the civil rights battle.
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