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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:18 am to 5thTiger
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:18 am to 5thTiger
The thing that angers me about gay marriage is not that gays want to get married or that some people don't want to let them, it's that this "issue" carries so much weight in elections.
On the long list of things that this country should be worried about, gay marriage shouldn't even be on the fricking radar.
On the long list of things that this country should be worried about, gay marriage shouldn't even be on the fricking radar.
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:21 am to Vols&Shaft83
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On the long list of things that this country should be worried about, gay marriage shouldn't even be on the fricking radar.
Dammit if you're gonna keep making sense imma have to find a new e friend
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:23 am to Vols&Shaft83
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On the long list of things that this country should be worried about, gay marriage shouldn't even be on the fricking radar.
Certainly. It's an issue because it speaks to people's sense of fairness and right vs wrong. Issues like that are going to capture the hearts of people where tax reform is not.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:35 am to Duke
Except it wasn't an issue in 2008. So it's now being successfully portrayed as a fairness issue. But it's really just marketing.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:41 am to TeLeFaWx
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I used to feel this way but I'm far less concerned about taxing than I used to be. Don't get me wrong, I loathe tax and spend liberals, but I hate the spend part more. I wouldn't mind even increasing my taxes if it was going to the things it should. I don't care about welfare programs as long as they aren't promoting a welfare state, which they are. I don't care about medicare and medicaid taxes if they aren't perpetuating a corrupt system, which they are.
I won't vote libertarian even though I wish I could. Rand Paul knows the Fed is the greatest injustice on the American people and that I think that is the most important issue facing us. O well. Status quo will be maintained.
I agree with this. We've gotten ourselves into a huge mess with out of control spending, so I would actually be willing to pay more in taxes if there was a guarantee that the government would use the money wisely (to pay down debt, much needed improvement/repair to vital infrastructure) and not just expand entitlement programs/pork barrel projects.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:44 am to crispyUGA
Can I bring up the fact that taxation without representation is still a thing in this country and needs to be addressed.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:50 am to Agforlife
Yep. US Territories brah.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:50 am to Duke
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Certainly. It's an issue because it speaks to people's sense of fairness and right vs wrong. Issues like that are going to capture the hearts of people where tax reform is not.
Kind of says a lot about society. I personally couldn't care less about 99% of "social issues", but care deeply about fiscal issues because they affect me directly. frick people and their "feelings", show me the money.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:52 am to 5thTiger
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Yep. US Territories brah.
Nope right here on US soil. I'm taxed but not allowed to vote so just how in the frick am I represented.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:53 am to Vols&Shaft83
I mean, Congress pretty much sets fiscal policy. The President is our foreign ambassador and military leader, which I personally see as the most important in a presidential election.
On a side note, does anyone really think we will pay off our national debt?
I mean, I think we will eventually just say "screw it, we're not paying"
On a side note, does anyone really think we will pay off our national debt?
I mean, I think we will eventually just say "screw it, we're not paying"
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:54 am to Agforlife
Whats your situation? Why are you not allowed to vote?
Edit: US territories are US soil. They are American citizens. Little known fact.
Edit: US territories are US soil. They are American citizens. Little known fact.
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 9:56 am
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:55 am to Agforlife
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Nope right here on US soil. I'm taxed but not allowed to vote so just how in the frick am I represented.
Are you a convicted felon?
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:03 am to 3nOut
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i would vote for Rubio over Cruz at this point just due to volatility.
i appreciate the answers here. you and i see eye to eye on politics (moreso social issues) very rarely and it's good to see some rational dialogue from somebody on the other side.
I mean I know you think I'm the other side, but my beliefs are in line with Millennial Republicans more so than any other demographic. Beyond that, I'm always willing to have rational dialogue with anyone.
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i disagree. i just think that the loudest pro-lifers are protesting at planned parenthood and the loudest pro-choice people are sitting on MSNBC, CNN, and the View every day getting front and center dialogue. anybody else espousing the pro-life view gets relegated to "war on women" status. i do think that millenials are being smarter which brings down the discussion a bit, but as a whole i still would wager we are +51 pro life.
No, I definitely agree we are more pro-life than we used to be, but that's not due to a rise in Evangelicalism, it's due to the millennials response of the issue as personal responsibility. The use of birth control and contraceptives is at an all-time high among the young and religious as abstinence only education has been an abysmal failure.
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Obama won a freebie in 2008. there was literally no candidate that could have beat him on the republican side. and that' OK. I really don't fault people for voting for him in 2008 one iota, especially truly moderate people (not people like 5th in this thread.) 2012 is another issue. Romney, while i think he was a fine middle of the road candidate, had republicans staying at home, and the rest of us holding our noses when we pulled the lever. i'm not saying it's "ok" but if you ran a true blue "i am an atheist/muslim" candidate, evangelicals would turn out in droves.
Maybe. My grandmother is a staunch Catholic Democrat(grew up on a farm in Iowa through the Great Depression never voted Republican in her life) and campaigned for Obama and broke down and cried when he won the Iowa Caucus(as she never thought Iowa could ever elect a black man because they were too racist).
But as my belief is that Obama is a typical leftist atheist, I asked her if that would have changed her support and she didn't hesitate to say yes. Religion does trump politics for a lot of people, and as someone who doesn't give a shite what someone's religion is most of the time as I believe they are all fairy tales, I have no problem electing someone from most faiths, and would have voted for Romney if I wasn't unexpectedly out of state... it's hard for a lot of people to believe that their priorities aren't the end of be all, and other people have different stances.
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i do agree we are moving left in a political sense. i mean i'm in my 30s and if you had asked me 10 years ago if i'd ever be in favor of gay marriage or pot legalization, i'd laugh at you. whereas now, i still find both of them morally wrong, but have grown to a stance of not desiring for my morals to be pushed on others when they are no-harm-to-others sin. I don't want to speak for others, but TBird and (i think 808) would fall in line with this line of thinking as well. that is probably the libertarian PoV coming out in us. I think that i can be OK with gay marriage and some drug legalization without condoning the acts themselves. We're obviously becoming a more secular culture as a whole, but to dismiss the Christians is foolish.
Yeah. The gays are gonna get married and people are gonna smoke weed and it's going to be perfectly legal.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:05 am to 5thTiger
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On a side note, does anyone really think we will pay off our national debt?
I mean, I think we will eventually just say "screw it, we're not paying"
When people ask questions like this it shows me how little people understand about national debt and who even owns said debt.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:05 am to crispyUGA
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Are you a convicted felon?
Yep, but wtf does that have to do with it? I work and pay taxes just like anybody else.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:07 am to TeLeFaWx
it's not like a household's debt
that's why all of the examples on the internet comparing it to a household debt is absurd and you'll see grandma re-posting it on fb
that's why all of the examples on the internet comparing it to a household debt is absurd and you'll see grandma re-posting it on fb
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:12 am to Vols&Shaft83
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The thing that angers me about gay marriage is not that gays want to get married or that some people don't want to let them, it's that this "issue" carries so much weight in elections.
On the long list of things that this country should be worried about, gay marriage shouldn't even be on the fricking radar.
I mean it's an issue that has real world ramifications for a LOT of people. It also reveals how some people think a book of fairy tales should govern how others operate within the framework of our society or how others can show compassion and understanding. Being gay is the leading cause of teen suicide so I think it's important from that issue alone. I also think it's a great political litmus test whether you think your personal "religious" beliefs should govern others and what role that should actually have in government.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:19 am to cas4t
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it's not like a household's debt
that's why all of the examples on the internet comparing it to a household debt is absurd and you'll see grandma re-posting it on fb
It's a gross oversimplification certainly, but you do understand that consuming more than you produce is a recipe for disaster, right?
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:24 am to cas4t
There are so many pieces to the national debt. AT the end of the day though, it falls to the Treasury. Currently, roughly 47% of the debt is owed to foreign investors, with China and Japan being the two largest.
What I meant in the last post was that people don't understand that there will always be a national debt. I was being somewhat facetious when I asked if people thought we would pay it off. *probably a tad wreckless to add that last part. But I do love trolling, it is fun.
What I meant in the last post was that people don't understand that there will always be a national debt. I was being somewhat facetious when I asked if people thought we would pay it off. *probably a tad wreckless to add that last part. But I do love trolling, it is fun.
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 10:26 am
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:26 am to Agforlife
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Yep, but wtf does that have to do with it? I work and pay taxes just like anybody else.
I've always thought this was an interesting issue. Never given it too much thought but yeah it sucks that you can't vote.
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