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re: Target says Dudes can go in the Little Girls Room
Posted on 4/22/16 at 11:19 am to Jobu93
Posted on 4/22/16 at 11:19 am to Jobu93
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What you may say is right about whomever is trans.
What you say is also right about a perv/rapist. And these initiatives make it easier for them and that's not right at all.
I don't think it does make it easier for pervs to get into bathrooms. In fact, with all the attention lately, it would be more difficult.
My personal stance is that this particular situation should have been left alone. The number of people with GID is so small that situations have been handled on a case by case approach.
Especially in schools, personnel have been understanding and compassionate of GID kids and, for the most part, accommodations have been made, for years. It's unfortunate that the issue is front page news in the sense that there might now be additional problems for GID children where there weren't before.
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Posted on 4/22/16 at 11:25 am to Kentucker
without taking a side and making a neutral observation - has there ever been a point in time where a bathroom sign stopped somebody from doing something they wanted to do? also, i feel like having gender neutral bathrooms could benefit people. whether it be a mom taking her 4 year old son to the restroom or the single dad that has a young daughter that needs to use a public restroom. I have personally witnessed these types of set ups useful for parents with handicapped children - basically for the same reasons as the younger children. mom has a handicapped son that requires assist. in the bathroom.....too old to go in the womens restroom but not independent enough to do it alone.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 11:33 am to parrothead
You made some good points. There are an increasing number of establishments that designate a third category of restrooms, for families.
They're quite popular and reflect our changing view of the roles of parents in raising children. Women don't bear all of the responsibility for tending to children anymore just as men are not the sole breadwinners in most families today.
They're quite popular and reflect our changing view of the roles of parents in raising children. Women don't bear all of the responsibility for tending to children anymore just as men are not the sole breadwinners in most families today.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 12:20 pm to Kentucker
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Well, it's a French owned company so...
It is? Could have fooled me since it was started and is still based in MN.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 12:34 pm to Kentucker
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I don't think a lot of people understand gender identity disorder (GID). People with this condition have been using the bathrooms that sync with their gender identity for many years.
If a man wants to rape a woman or a child, he's going to find a way. Public restrooms are not ideal locations because of the possibility of someone coming in or responding to the victims' screams.
Outlawing transgender people from restrooms will only cause those who identify as female to be beaten up in men's restrooms and those who id as men to have the police called on them when they go into women's restrooms.
Well said!
Posted on 4/22/16 at 1:12 pm to Kentucker
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They're quite popular and reflect our changing view of the roles of parents in raising children. Women don't bear all of the responsibility for tending to children anymore just as men are not the sole breadwinners in most families today
i did my senior thesis for social psychology on the changing roles of the core family (essentially, except my talking points were more along the lines of older children taking care of elderly parents who are living longer) . i could talk for days about it.
ETA: yes, it has the potential to open some doors (good or bad we dont know yet) but i do find it rather hilarious that the first thing people are shouting is "omg the perverts are gonna come get me now".....its the same kind of extreme arguments the ant-gun people make' its like hey lets come up with some crazy scenarios to scare people into believing this is a horrible thing"
This post was edited on 4/22/16 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:02 pm to parrothead
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i do find it rather hilarious that the first thing people are shouting is "omg the perverts are gonna come get me now".....its the same kind of extreme arguments the ant-gun people make' its like hey lets come up with some crazy scenarios to scare people into believing this is a horrible thing"
careful, if you point out the hypocrisy neither side is going to want you.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:22 pm to bbvdd
I'm the victim of a popular misconception. 
Thanks for the enlightenment.
From Wikipedia:
Thanks for the enlightenment.
From Wikipedia:
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Targét
Some people jokingly give Target the pseudo-French pronunciation /t??r'?e?/ tar-zhay, as though it were an upscale boutique. This trend is incorrectly believed to have been started by Oprah Winfrey, when she used the French pronunciation to refer to the store on her television show, but has actually been traced back to 1962, the year the first Target store opened.
Target once sold a line of shoes called "Ms Targe"[111] this was reinforced by a 1980s television advertisement starring Didi Conn. This pronunciation has also led some people to incorrectly believe that the company is French-owned.[6] In recognition of the nickname's popularity and cachet, Target Corporation licensed its name and logo to Brand Central LLC in 2006, complete with accent over the letter "E", which, however, would be inaccurate and unnecessary according to French spelling rules, for a new line of clothing intended for more upscale fashion customers. The line, "Targét Couture", was originally sold at Los Angeles-based store Intuition, which deals with high-end bra
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:25 pm to PrivatePublic
Look, it's not a black and white issue.
The issue that parents have is will their be a threat that grown men with men parts will try and sneak into female bathrooms and use the excuse of hey im transgender if approached or busted.
I have 2 little boys and I go in the bathrooms with them as I am sure 99.9 pct of parents do as well so this really isn't a big deal.
That being said, this whole pushing sexsual orientation and gender identity into everyone's faces 24/7 is becoming to much. frick who you want....no body cares. Just keep it to yourself. We are sick of hearing about your female brain with your male body parts. Youre fricking human.....move the frick on.
The issue that parents have is will their be a threat that grown men with men parts will try and sneak into female bathrooms and use the excuse of hey im transgender if approached or busted.
I have 2 little boys and I go in the bathrooms with them as I am sure 99.9 pct of parents do as well so this really isn't a big deal.
That being said, this whole pushing sexsual orientation and gender identity into everyone's faces 24/7 is becoming to much. frick who you want....no body cares. Just keep it to yourself. We are sick of hearing about your female brain with your male body parts. Youre fricking human.....move the frick on.
This post was edited on 4/22/16 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:33 pm to PurpleandGeauld
Im gonna go pee on all the seats in the Target ladies bathroom.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:45 pm to bamafan1001
Daddy says Mommy can't go to Target.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 11:02 pm to PurpleandGeauld
Another idiot jumping on the absurd transgender bathroom thing. Just stop it
Posted on 4/24/16 at 4:07 am to five_fivesix
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Here's where I have issue with the NC law and where some concerned Dad's may get into legal trouble.
In your scenario above, you witness a "grown man" follow your daughter into the ladies room. You follow ( as most of us would), approach this "dude", and possibly have a physical altercation.
As it turns out, the "dude" was gender assigned at birth as a female, but now identifies as a male (and quite convincingly). She, in full accordance with NC law, was in the appropriate bathroom. You, on the other hand are not and you've possibly committed assault on a "lady" in a ladies room.
Your bathroom area may soon be violated in county lockup.
It's a dumb law.
Perfect explanation. I agree 100% with this.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 9:59 am to Kentucker
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GID doesn't work like that.
You keep saying this. But you don't know. You're just repeating your dogma. I substitute my dogma for yours.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 10:11 am to parrothead
whether it be a mom taking her 4 year old son to the restroom or the single dad that has a young daughter that needs to use a public restroom. I have personally witnessed these types of set ups useful for parents with handicapped children - basically for the same reasons as the younger children. mom has a handicapped son that requires assist. in the bathroom.....too old to go in the womens restroom but not independent enough to do it alone.
These already exist in many places. They are "family" restrooms with handicapped access separate from the men's and women's facilities.
These already exist in many places. They are "family" restrooms with handicapped access separate from the men's and women's facilities.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 1:38 pm to the808bass
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You keep saying this. But you don't know. You're just repeating your dogma. I substitute my dogma for yours.
"The highest form of ignorance is rejecting something you don't know anything about." -Wayne Dyer
Posted on 4/24/16 at 2:57 pm to Kentucker
A post on the OT shows a man going into a girls bathroom and videoing a 10 year old girl. That's what this kind of acceptance leads to.
This kind of thing didn't happen 50 or even 10 years ago. I don't want to call every issue a condition or syndrome. We have become a people who create syndromes because it's easier to say someone has a syndrome or condition instead of addressing the real issues associated with the behavior.
If people exhibit these tendencies, they they should be provided counseling.
This kind of thing didn't happen 50 or even 10 years ago. I don't want to call every issue a condition or syndrome. We have become a people who create syndromes because it's easier to say someone has a syndrome or condition instead of addressing the real issues associated with the behavior.
If people exhibit these tendencies, they they should be provided counseling.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 4:31 pm to kywildcatfanone
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A post on the OT shows a man going into a girls bathroom and videoing a 10 year old girl.
That pervert committed a crime and should be prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law.
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That's what this kind of acceptance leads to.
No. It will never be acceptable for a child molester to harm a child. Never.
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This kind of thing didn't happen 50 or even 10 years ago. I don't want to call every issue a condition or syndrome. We have become a people who create syndromes because it's easier to say someone has a syndrome or condition instead of addressing the real issues associated with the behavior.
We are a species that seeks knowledge. We are learning that birth defects are not only those that we can see.
If a child is born with both sexual organs, it's very easy to see that a birth defect has occurred. There are variations of this type of defect, such as a woman being born with internal gonads instead of ovaries, but it's still detectable by a doctor examining the person.
Now we know that there are physical differences between peoples' brains, especially male and female. No two people are "wired" exactly alike.
These differences make societies interesting because of the rich diversity of their people. Throughout history many attempts have been made to force people to be homogeneous but all have failed.
It seems that we are not meant to be the same because of our nature as humans. "Being different" evokes fear in some people but it also allows for creativity and imagination.
When we diverged from our common ancestor with apes, chimps, lemurs and monkeys some 8 million years ago we stepped onto a path that has seen us evolve into the only creature that can ponder its origins. The other primates have remained relatively the same and are still mostly slaves to their instincts.
Our evolution culminated in the most complex structure that we know of in the Universe, the human brain. This incredible organ is mighty but fragile.
Everyone knows there can be defects in the brain. Injure it and it won't work as it once did; injure it severely and we die.
Whole fields of study center on what can go wrong with the brain. Both nature and nurture determine how it functions.
Birth defects and injuries, whether mechanical or drug induced, are common. We all understand the latter but the former is apparently more mysterious to lay people.
Birth defects of the brain are common, if not well accepted. Too often we ascribe radical differences in behavior of people to mental illness.
An illness implies a cure is possible. A birth defect indicates a more permanent, physical condition.
As a species that seeks knowledge we are seeing that many defects are possible in the developing brain of a fetus. We don't currently know how to discover these defects prior to birth, much less how to intervene in their manifestations.
Many of them involve the sexual expressions displayed by people after their birth and maturation. Individuals who display behaviors counter to a society's mores are, of course, most notable.
Regrettably, until now, attempts at intervention have only taken place after a person has matured to the point that he has become a "social problem." It should be noted that the "problem" has caused far more pain and suffering for the afflicted individual than it ever could for the greater society.
There are no current abilities to assess the problems that a growing fetus might develop. However, capabilities to do just that are advancing rapidly. For example, the genome of any creature can now be plotted.
Hopefully we will soon be able to "catch" and ameliorate many brain defects before they get to the stage where they cause problems for the individual who will grow from a genetic code.
This post was edited on 4/24/16 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 4/24/16 at 4:47 pm to Kentucker
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"The highest form of ignorance is rejecting something you don't know anything about." -Wayne Dyer
But transgender isn't something I don't know anything about. So I reject your irrelevant statement.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 5:30 pm to the808bass
Because I only know you by what you post on this site, I can only guess that what you say you know about Transgenderism is based upon your religious proclivities. I was raised in a Christian home and environment so I can say that I understand your ideas.
I can't, however, accept them as being realistic solutions for the acute pain of being born with a defect such as Transgenderism. Rather, I understand the reality of the physical defect which causes the condition.
While I certainly think that people of faith can be supportive and comforting to those who are afflicted with Transgenderism, all too often it's obvious that rejection and condemnation are what they dole out when religious therapy proves ineffective.
I can't, however, accept them as being realistic solutions for the acute pain of being born with a defect such as Transgenderism. Rather, I understand the reality of the physical defect which causes the condition.
While I certainly think that people of faith can be supportive and comforting to those who are afflicted with Transgenderism, all too often it's obvious that rejection and condemnation are what they dole out when religious therapy proves ineffective.
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