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re: Supreme Court listening arguments today

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Posted by RoyalAir
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:52 am to
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If Christians think homosexuality is just a garden variety sin, why do they crusade against it so much?


I think that's basically what Pope Francis said a year ago. I agree that it's blown out of proportion, and talked about far, far too much, especially in relation to other sins. And for the record, there is no "garden variety sin-" all sin is equal. When I lie or when I say negative things about my neighbor, it's no worse or better on the "sin scale" than whatever is going on in someone's bedroom.

Part of the reason why it's discussed so much is because of how fervently the homosexual lobby has picked up and paraded (literally) with it.

And for the record, just because I disagree with homosexual behavior, I still think the state should allow for homosexual "marriage." I just don't want my church to perform one.
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 10:03 am
Posted by RoyalAir
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:01 am to
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Im convinced that being homosexual is a genetic thing. I remember as a kid knowing one or two boys who I just knew even as a child were different. I was friends with both. later as teens it was readily apparent they were gay.

I dont think that experience is too unusual.


Wholeheartedly agree that there are a lot of people who are simply born with that predisposition. But there are also a lot of people who develop homosexual relationships due to social stimuli. For women, you pretty much subtract a father figure (or make him a monster), add physical or sexual abuse from a male, and the likelihood that she's going to engage in some lesbian relationship is highly likely.

Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:38 am to
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Im convinced that being homosexual is a genetic thing.

Congrats, it's called an opinion & I have one also; there's no gay gene....it's a choice.
Posted by RoyalAir
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:48 am to
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Congrats, it's called an opinion & I have one also; there's no gay gene....it's a choice.



You quoted the wrong poster.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:50 am to
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Congrats, it's called an opinion & I have one also; there's no gay gene....it's a choice.


When did you choose to be straight?
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:53 am to
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Congrats, it's called an opinion & I have one also; there's no gay gene....it's a choice.


Of course there isn't a singular gay gene, it isn't like sickle cell. The overwhelming majority of scientific evidence (as well as the statements of every gay person ever) indicate homosexual attraction isn't a choice. Even those ex-gays who claim to have been healed by God say their attraction wasn't a choice.

Summary: Opinions can be stupid and wrong
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:57 am to
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Many religious people, Christians included, simply see homosexuality as another sinful behavior. And behavior is always in your control. You may be attracted to something, but you're expected not to act on it. For instance, if you're married and are attracted to another woman, you are expected to remove yourself from the situation before you break your vows.


The difference is you are demanding a gay person resist the strongest biological urge in existence. Straight men attracted to other women still have the option of sex with their wife. You are asking gays to say no to ex entirely for a lifetime, which is an inherent biological drive.
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:59 am to
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When did you choose to be straight?

Really early in life when I knew that the dick/vagina matchup was correct.
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:00 am to
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as well as the statements of every gay person ever

Wow.....compelling evidence there.....I'm convinced now.....carry on
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:01 am to
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Like another said before, I'm super attracted to chicks with big cans. That's not a bad thing... Me acting on it and stepping out on my wife or having sex with one I'm not married to would be sin.


Actually, the Bible says you have already committed adultery in your heart but that's for a different thread.

The point is that you still get to have sex with your wife and fulfill the most basic biological drive we have. Gays have the choice to either remain celibate, or lie to women about how they feel about them (another sin) and have unfulfilling sex.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:05 am to
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as the statements of every gay person ever) indicate homosexual attraction isn't a choice


This is a lie
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:07 am to
If it is left up to the individual states, which seems doubtful, how would your state vote? Louisiana would be anti by a landslide. Personally, like several have posted here, there are a lot more important issues out there, potentially impacting my day to day life, than taking up time/debate over something that will have nothing to do with my day to day living.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:07 am to
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When did you choose to be straight?


Really early in life when I knew that the dick/vagina matchup was correct.


So you're saying you made a conscious choice to be attracted to women instead of men.
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:07 am to
There is almost no debate that homosexuality is part of a person, not a choice. Being attracted to someone is not a choice. Scientifically, that is a fact. Flaunting your sexuality is a choice, but the actual attraction is not.

The only debate that hasn't been universally accepted among scholars is whether people are born that way, or if their environment has that influence.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:08 am to
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The difference is you are demanding a gay person resist the strongest biological urge in existence.


I'm not demanding anything. I'm explaining things as I understand them to be, Biblically. But make no mistake - I'm not demanding anything from people.

And millions of people around the world resist the strongest biological urge in existence on a daily basis.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:09 am to
But not for a lifetime
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:11 am to
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...it's a choice.



Do people actually think before they say this, I can't see how anybody would really believe this.

With all the shite you have to put up with: losing friends/family, risk being beaten and/or killed, Why would anybody ever choose to be gay?
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:11 am to
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This is a lie


Nope, even the ex gays say their attraction wasn't a choice. There would be be no need for God to deliver them from anything if both the attraction and action were just a personal choice.
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 11:12 am
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:12 am to
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I'm explaining things as I understand them to be, Biblically.


Didn't you say it's ok to be attracted to someone that isn't your wife as long as you don't act on the urge?

Because according to the Bible, having lustful thoughts is a sin.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:18 am to
And for the record, science shows ex gays haven't been delivered from anything. They've hooked several making that claim up to EEGs while showing them various arousing images and their waveforms show arousal and attraction to the same shite that open homosexuals find attractive.

They are people who are either bisexual or homosexual and just ignoring their attraction to the same sex. The problem with that is when they wake up depressed 20 years later with a spouse they were never attracted to and either leave them or kill themselves. There's several stories a year about Christian ex gay activists getting caught in gay bars or soliciting sex online.
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 11:21 am
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