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Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:24 pm to CatFan81
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:24 pm to CatFan81
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Typical Christian. I must be gay because I don't agree with your agenda
My name's not Christian and my agenda is not anti-gay ... I love lesbians. I watch them all the time.
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Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:32 pm to genro
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These are not facts
If you accept the epigenetic, social, psychological and demographic science, they are.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:38 pm to genro
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More scientifically, mid-life sexual transition in women is a documented phenomena. Correlates with menopausal hormone changes.
Yes, it's a documented phenomenon but it isn't completely understood. Some psychologists contend that those women are bisexuals who, after fulfilling their biological imperatives, orient towards their self-interests which include lesbianism.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:52 pm to Hardy_Har
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This shite is getting hard to keep up with
For a very good reason. Namely, mankind is not subject to the instinctual mandates we once were. When we acquired reason, instincts went out the window, so to speak.
In the absence of instinct, variation has come into play. Sexuality is no longer "written into stone;" meaning that survival of the species is not dependent upon individuals' adherence to a genetically mandated sex drive. Sexual orientation, based upon epigenetic proclivities, has replaced instinct in humans.
There are many, many sexual orientations some of which are pathological and most of which are benign. Actually, you could say that each of us develops our own sexual orientation.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 6:25 am to Kentucker
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Sexuality is no longer "written into stone;"
Wow, I remember way back when if you had a penis..you were a man. And if you had a vagina..you were a woman. My how times have changed
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:43 am to Kentucker
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If you accept the epigenetic, social, psychological and demographic science, they are.
All of the sciences except the only one that actually matters - biological.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:49 am to Old Sarge
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Wow, I remember way back when if you had a penis..you were a man. And if you had a vagina..you were a woman. My how times have changed
Sexuality doesn't mean male or female.
People feel comfortable with labels so they apply them everywhere, including sexuality. Instead of thinking of sexuality as black and white, gay or straight, think of it as a spectrum.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:51 am to Stonehog
You must have missed my
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:51 am to 5thTiger
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Supreme Court listening arguments today
What's the big deal? I listen to arguments here everyday
Posted on 5/1/15 at 8:27 am to Stonehog
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The problem Christians have with admitting that homosexuality is not a choice is that they believe God is infallible. They say it's a choice because they think God wouldn't make a gay person.
Nope. Not it.
Think of it like this: all of us are hardwired with specific desires or tendencies that aren't desirable. Perhaps you have a tendency to be prideful, or coevetous, or are quick to anger. Mankind is inherently broken, so each of us has our myriad of issues that we must sort through.
Instead of accepting and falling into these habits and tendencies that aren't helpful and healthy, we must work through them and abstain. It's not that you no longer feel anger inside you, it's that you allow your reason to override the instinct. You may have met a born-again Christian who credits his/her redemption from saving them from alcoholism, or from being violent, or from running with the wrong crowd.
Many religious people, Christians included, simply see homosexuality as another sinful behavior. And behavior is always in your control. You may be attracted to something, but you're expected not to act on it. For instance, if you're married and are attracted to another woman, you are expected to remove yourself from the situation before you break your vows.
I have no problem admitting that some people are born with homosexual tendencies. Others develop homosexual relationships out of social factors, such as sexual or emotional abuse.
The issue at hand is that in the last generation, the West at large is no longer considering homosexual behavior to be sinful.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 8:56 am to RoyalAir
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Many religious people, Christians included, simply see homosexuality as another sinful behavior. And behavior is always in your control. You may be attracted to something, but you're expected not to act on it. For instance, if you're married and are attracted to another woman, you are expected to remove yourself from the situation before you break your vows.
Just to sort this out. If you are attracted to a certain man or woman, that is a behavior? Behavior is acting on a thought or feeling. Not having the thought or feeling. Homosexuality is undoubtedly not just a behavior.
I myself am curious as to whether homosexuality is something that you are born having, or if it is a product of your surroundings. Perhaps a combination of the two.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:01 am to 5thTiger
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Just to sort this out. If you are attracted to a certain man or woman, that is a behavior? Behavior is acting on a thought or feeling. Not having the thought or feeling. Homosexuality is undoubtedly not just a behavior.
Sorry if I didn't make it clear. If homosexual tendencies is something that you struggle with, acting upon it is the behavior itself.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:07 am to RoyalAir
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Sorry if I didn't make it clear. If homosexual tendencies is something that you struggle with, acting upon it is the behavior itself.
So you can be gay, but not act gay?
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:07 am to 5thTiger
Im convinced that being homosexual is a genetic thing. I remember as a kid knowing one or two boys who I just knew even as a child were different. I was friends with both. later as teens it was readily apparent they were gay.
I dont think that experience is too unusual.
I dont think that experience is too unusual.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:15 am to 5thTiger
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So you can be gay, but not act gay?
He's saying you can have a stronger desire towards a sinful lifestyle than others but still choose not to act on it.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:20 am to RoyalAir
If Christians think homosexuality is just a garden variety sin, why do they crusade against it so much? I don't see them having rallies to prevent straight people from getting divorced.
It's also a sin for a person to marry someone who has been divorced. Where is the outcry over that sinful behavior?
It's also a sin for a person to marry someone who has been divorced. Where is the outcry over that sinful behavior?
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:27 am to 5thTiger
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Just to sort this out. If you are attracted to a certain man or woman, that is a behavior? Behavior is acting on a thought or feeling. Not having the thought or feeling. Homosexuality is undoubtedly not just a behavior. I myself am curious as to whether homosexuality is something that you are born having, or if it is a product of your surroundings. Perhaps a combination of the two.
I would submit that a lot of the church today, if not the majority, believe that you can absolutely be born with tendencies to be attracted to the same sex.
Like another said before, I'm super attracted to chicks with big cans. That's not a bad thing... Me acting on it and stepping out on my wife or having sex with one I'm not married to would be sin.
I would say that only aholes, even on the Christian side, would think that being attracted to the same sex is a sin in this era.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:31 am to Stonehog
You judging all by the behavior of a few. I believe it's a choice and a sinful one. But it's not my choice to make for you nor my place to judge anyone. Called to love not judge.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:39 am to Old Sarge
You guys are talking about "sinful behavior" and you think I'm the one judging?
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:45 am to Stonehog
I'm just saying a few do not represent all.
Saying I believe an act or behavior is sinful is just my belief I'm not forcing you to accept it. And our lack of agreement in this belief doesn't make me love you less
Saying I believe an act or behavior is sinful is just my belief I'm not forcing you to accept it. And our lack of agreement in this belief doesn't make me love you less
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 9:46 am
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