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re: So you want 15$ an hour for working a register at McDonalds?
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:51 am to pankReb
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:51 am to pankReb
The problem I have with the $15 an hour is that is the same wage entry college graduates make. I was one of them. The skills/labor needed for the people wanting the $15 an hour is not justified. I have no problem with making the wage 15 bucks an hour, I have a problem with the job skills involved. I worked fast food in high school, it is not that hard.
The workers could get a pell grant, attend a 2 year community college and get an ultrasound tech or something.
The workers could get a pell grant, attend a 2 year community college and get an ultrasound tech or something.
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:54 am to the808bass
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Yup. Those are the only two options.
If they aren't being paid enough to live on, what options are there other than receiving public assistance or being paid more money?
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:55 am to BulldogNation
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The problem I have with the $15 an hour is that is the same wage entry college graduates make. I was one of them.
I think if people are honest with themselves that's what the main discomfort comes from. And that's ok. It's ok to be angry about someone making that much when they do something that takes very little training/skill when you went to college for 4 to however many years. The people graduating college should be making more too.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:56 am to BulldogNation
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The workers could get a pell grant, attend a 2 year community college and get an ultrasound tech or something.
We can't have 100% of the workforce be ultrasound techs. Someone has to work the cash register at McDonalds. How does that person eat?
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:56 am to pankReb
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I can't remember ever having an order screwed up at Chickfila
Me either.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:57 am to Nuts4LSU
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If they aren't being paid enough to live on, what options are there other than receiving public assistance or being paid more money?
What's "enough to live on?"
Dollar amount please.
The other crazy option which you're missing is making yourself more valuable to an employer or potential employer. I'm sure it's all the corporations' fault. But we gotta play the game.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:59 am to Nuts4LSU
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Someone has to work the cash register at McDonalds
Not technically. As OP shows a machine can do it. Or it could be an eRegister where someone in India takes the order via Skype.
I agree with you that people refuse to accept that fact that too much of the population is uncompetitive in the modern global economy, but the answer isn't cutting the number of entry-level jobs available (which is what a minimum raise does).
Optimally we have state run companies that DO produce things people need and where the work is subsidized to the point where that worker is competitive globally.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:00 am to Nuts4LSU
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Someone has to work the cash register at McDonalds. How does that person eat?
Sure. Young people and secondary incomes for families should be working those jobs. It's not the job of the corporation to pay a "living wage" to a worker.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:01 am to cardboardboxer
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Optimally we have state run companies that DO produce things people need and where the work is subsidized to the point where that worker is competitive globally.
Optimally? Lol
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:03 am to Nuts4LSU
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You are missing the point. Someone will always be working in those bottom tier jobs. Whoever they are, they have to eat. If they aren't supposed to ask for public assistance and they aren't supposed to ask for a pay raise, how in the hell are they supposed to eat?
i've rehashed this story a few times, but i will again, because it's important.
when i went to college at my hometown, i was working at pizza hut and going to school full time, paying for it myself. after my first semester, my parents said you have to pay rent to live at home, which in my opinion is BS, but it puts life in perspective.
so i'm left with having to do rent and school making barely above minimum wage. i'm a shift manager/waiter/cashier at pizza hut, but the only way to move up there is to be a manager.
so either stick it out, or go find a job that has more vertical movement. i find another job that starts me out at less (minimum wage @ $5.15) but has a lot of opportunity to grow as a computer technician. I stick it out for a year. I miss meals. I have to take 6 hours instead of the full load of 12-15. i don't go to movies or have a nice cellphone. After being in the job a year, i get a promotion. $8 an hour. i can finally start taking a full load. I work 40+ hour weeks, still miss meals, still don't go have fun with my college friends on weekends every time. I get married. We get pregnant. I realize that i'm going to have to bust it to graduate and provide for another mouth to feed. I take a 21 hour semester while still working 45+ hours a week.
I got my first job out of college making 32k a year working in Technology for a state entity. i work hard there, don't get fired, and get a decent raise every year for 3 years. I realize that the money is good, but working for the government in that capacity is not my ideal job and there's better salaries out there. I search for months in town to get a job and can't find one. I finally go out of town with my search and get a nice job with a 15k+ salary increase. I do well there and get decent raises every year that come with any position at that job. Love the job. An opportunity comes by that involves a lot of travel, but a chance to make a lot more money and i take it and here i am.
Salary bragging? don't give a shite. I came from a college kid who didn't eat for days to a guy making ~100k without one penny of help from my parents. If you say the system is keeping you down, you're a crappy worker and deserve what you get, or you refuse to go find a better life for yourself and only are going to blame others. You're one of the two.
This post was edited on 5/28/15 at 11:06 am
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:05 am to pankReb
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I can't remember ever having an order screwed up at Chickfila, either...
Honestly, I can't remember having an order screwed up at any fast food joint. At least screwed up to the point it ruined my meal or my day. I've had CFA give me the wrong sauce in the drive-thru. I've had McDonald's give me Diet Coke instead of Coke. shite happens, especially in the food service industry. Hell, I had a server at a fine dining place bring me an entree that wasn't even close to what I ordered once.
Now, I have had bad service at every fast food chain I've been to, including a Chick Fil A(Jasper,AL to be specific) I've also had excellent customer service at every fast food chain I've been to, including several McDonald's locations.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:07 am to The Spleen
i know you downvoted me you piece of crap. 
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:07 am to The Spleen
The only real difference in the chains that I have noticed is that for the most part when comparing Chik Fil A to McDonalds / Wendy's / etc is that the Chik Fil A workers are more often white and have a more cheerful attitude.
Pretty much any special order gets screwed up often at any of the chains.
Pretty much any special order gets screwed up often at any of the chains.
This post was edited on 5/28/15 at 11:08 am
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:12 am to 3nOut
Nah, wasn't me. My story isn't that much different, though my parents never charged me rent if I wanted to live at home. But as soon as I moved out, I was 100% on my own. Worked full time in college and paid for college with student loans and a couple of small scholarships.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:13 am to The Spleen
then it was definitely stonehog.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:16 am to 3nOut
I just downvoted my own post if that makes you feel better.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:27 am to The Spleen
Here is the way I see it, there are so many programs out there to help pay for school, there are way more trade schools out there now than in the past, if you are to lazy to take advantage of these things then you don't deserve to make a high salary. I started at the bottom in my profession and lived hand to mouth for a few years and while I'll never be able to reach the absolute top of this profession in this State (law changes have made it impossible without a degree) I'm doing well today and make a very comfortable living.
I worked my way up and did what I had to do to learn and grow and become a valuable asset, I didn't bitch and complain about not being paid enough when I didn't know shite about the work.
Fast food places aren't meant to be careers, they are where you learn how to work and what life is about while you prepare yourself for a career.
Just my .02
I worked my way up and did what I had to do to learn and grow and become a valuable asset, I didn't bitch and complain about not being paid enough when I didn't know shite about the work.
Fast food places aren't meant to be careers, they are where you learn how to work and what life is about while you prepare yourself for a career.
Just my .02
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:27 am to Nuts4LSU
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If they're not making that much they likely qualify for a Pell Grant and can go to community college for next to free. Go back to school, like a CC, and get a valuable certification where you can get something better than working the front line at McDonalds.
You are missing the point. Someone will always be working in those bottom tier jobs. Whoever they are, they have to eat. If they aren't supposed to ask for public assistance and they aren't supposed to ask for a pay raise, how in the hell are they supposed to eat?
Those jobs are meant for high school and college kids to use until they transfer to a higher payer job. They are not meant for people to work at for careers.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:28 am to the808bass
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Optimally? Lol
Yeah maybe not the most fortunate use of that word. Optimally the world would have enough spots in the labor market that everyone could participate at a level that they can provide for themselves at a middle class standard of living. The reality is that a capitalist system has winners and losers, and that is our problem because the global losers economically live all around us and are US citizens.
Normally state-subsidized companies are a bad idea, as they are less efficient than normal companies and are always battling nepotism and corruption. But as we face a modern reality that something like 30%+ of the population simply CAN'T "retool" into a better job and we need to come up with answers if only to prevent them from rioting in the street and disturbing the lives of those who can compete globally.
What I like about a state-company is that at least then you get back a percentage of productivity from that population. For example, take a high school graduate who skill level is a perfect fit for a factory job but not a desk job. Just to survive in America this person needs a wage three times what a factory worker in China needs to survive. Without a subsidy that job goes to China then, and the person is a net negative as they sit around all day and live on entitlements. If the government could subsidize half of the gap between the Chinese person and this American at the company level then maybe that job stays here and that person is at least working all day instead of protesting or whatever in the streets.
I would love to hear a better plan of what to do with America's uncompetitive 30%, but normally all you hear is some fairytale that all of them just need to go back to community college and get a better job. There aren't enough good jobs to go around, and either we accept that fact and rig some up or we get used to dangers to our personal safety and property that third world countries have to deal with.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:33 am to cardboardboxer
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Yeah maybe not the most fortunate use of that word. Optimally the world would have enough spots in the labor market that everyone could participate at a level that they can provide for themselves at a middle class standard of living. The reality is that a capitalist system has winners and losers, and that is our problem because the global losers economically live all around us and are US citizens.
Normally state-subsidized companies are a bad idea, as they are less efficient than normal companies and are always battling nepotism and corruption. But as we face a modern reality that something like 30%+ of the population simply CAN'T "retool" into a better job and we need to come up with answers if only to prevent them from rioting in the street and disturbing the lives of those who can compete globally.
What I like about a state-company is that at least then you get back a percentage of productivity from that population. For example, take a high school graduate who skill level is a perfect fit for a factory job but not a desk job. Just to survive in America this person needs a wage three times what a factory worker in China needs to survive. Without a subsidy that job goes to China then, and the person is a net negative as they sit around all day and live on entitlements. If the government could subsidize half of the gap between the Chinese person and this American at the company level then maybe that job stays here and that person is at least working all day instead of protesting or whatever in the streets.
I would love to hear a better plan of what to do with America's uncompetitive 30%, but normally all you hear is some fairytale that all of them just need to go back to community college and get a better job. There aren't enough good jobs to go around, and either we accept that fact and rig some up or we get used to dangers to our personal safety and property that third world countries have to deal with.
Or we could just stop importing manufactured goods, but the unions fricked that all up.
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