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re: So, alot of fast food protesters were arrested today...
Posted on 9/4/14 at 5:50 pm to Alahunter
Posted on 9/4/14 at 5:50 pm to Alahunter
To the thread -- step outside of your mental comfort zone and think deeper about things.
Obviously no one should make decent money as a regular employee at a fast food restaurant.
It's not as simple as 'go get a better job' -- there are college grads that can't find a job that matches their education. As a whole it's not as simple as 'go make your life better'.
Think. Ask. Wonder.
What role does our centralized food system play in this?
Why does the average meal travel over 1,000 miles before it's eaten?
Why are we dealing with such a high percentage of service industry jobs in comparison to production jobs?
Is capitalism really working for the betterment of the planet and our species as a whole, or is a small fraction benefiting while the majority suffer and the planet dies? (But the poor have flat screens).
Obviously no one should make decent money as a regular employee at a fast food restaurant.
It's not as simple as 'go get a better job' -- there are college grads that can't find a job that matches their education. As a whole it's not as simple as 'go make your life better'.
Think. Ask. Wonder.
What role does our centralized food system play in this?
Why does the average meal travel over 1,000 miles before it's eaten?
Why are we dealing with such a high percentage of service industry jobs in comparison to production jobs?
Is capitalism really working for the betterment of the planet and our species as a whole, or is a small fraction benefiting while the majority suffer and the planet dies? (But the poor have flat screens).
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 5:52 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 6:00 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Think. Ask. Wonder
Ok.
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there are college grads that can't find a job that matches their education
I think many "smart" people, don't research the fields they want to go into or the job outlook, before taking the path towards it. I wonder why educated people don't have the foresight to plan their future out sometimes. Also, this has nothing to do with 38 year old adults complaining about not making $15 an hour at Burger King.
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What role does our centralized food system play in this?
Beats me. What role does it have on people with little to no job skills trying to perform a job?
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Why does the average meal travel over 1,000 miles before it's eaten?
For who? Some people mainly buy local now a days. Some, like myself grow much of what they eat. Why generalize and again, what's it got to do with a high school dropout not making $15 bucks an hour to flip a burger or drop French fries into a deep fryer?
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Why are we dealing with such a high percentage of service industry jobs in comparison to production jobs?
Ahh.. something I can get into. DEMOCRATS, ENTITLEMENTS AND LABOR UNIONS! There ya go. Your socialism and communism leaning policies led to the destruction and fleeing of manufacturing jobs and has helped turn this country into one of service oriented and not one of production. Thanks Obama. And Clinton and Carter and FDR...
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Is capitalism really working for the betterment of the planet and our species as a whole, or is a small fraction benefiting while the majority suffer and the planet dies? (But the poor have flat screens).
Capitalism rewards the smart, hard worker. The way it should.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 6:02 pm to Alahunter
I was hoping this was about people protesting fast food in general, because it's mostly disgusting.
These people's skills do not warrant $15 per hour.
These people's skills do not warrant $15 per hour.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 6:17 pm to Alahunter
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Thanks Obama. And Clinton and Carter and FDR...
FDR - the father of American socialism and the executioner of Libertarianism, upon which our country was formed.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 6:28 pm to Alahunter
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Capitalism rewards the smart, hard worker. The way it should.
It also rewards those lucky enough to come out of the right vagina. While I do think capitalism to be the best rationing system we've come up with (price system and market economies at least) but let's not act like there are equal outcomes for equal intelligence and effort.
For the fast food workers, you're seeing the result of the weak labor market play out. They are working and trying to cut out a living. They're at least putting in the effort. No need to demonize them.
They should try to collectively bargain and see where they get. If others are willing to come in and undercut the union negotiated wages, well that's their problem. They have every right to demand more pay though, no matter how much anyone thinks they "deserve". The system is how much you can get, not what you deserve to get.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 6:29 pm to Alahunter
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I think many "smart" people, don't research the fields they want to go into or the job outlook, before taking the path towards it.
Do these 'smart' people know where to place commas?
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Also, this has nothing to do with 38 year old adults complaining about not making $15 an hour at Burger King.
For a one track thinker, maybe not. But upon further thought it most certainly does -- the statement 'go make a better life for yourself' is unfair when we consider that many people who are highly educated are working in the service industry.
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For who? Some people mainly buy local now a days
'Average' was a key word in the sentence you quoted. The average meal eaten by an American travels a frightening distance before it's consumed -- thanks to a centralized power structure in the food industry.
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Ahh.. something I can get into. DEMOCRATS, ENTITLEMENTS AND LABOR UNIONS! There ya go. Your socialism and communism leaning policies led to the destruction and fleeing of manufacturing jobs and has helped turn this country into one of service oriented and not one of production. Thanks Obama. And Clinton and Carter and FDR...
It's astonishing that someone can be this lost.
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Capitalism rewards the smart, hard worker. The way it should.
As it does, in many ways. But at what cost? At the cost of stripping a country of its human and natural resources all because there was a smart guy on another continent that saw a way to exploit these resources with no concern for anything but his own immediate future?
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 9/4/14 at 6:32 pm to Alahunter
You know.... There was a point in my life when I was working at Pizza Hut. My parents had just kicked me out and I was paying for school and rent and barely making it.
So I went and had a 4 month search for a job with better pay and a higher ceiling. I got a job with about equal pay and started in the bottom rung. I busted my tail and got moved up so that I wasn't eating ramen and peanut butter sandwiches 15 times a week.
Then that job skill translated to a career that takes care of my family.
Not that it would apply to these people because they're being oppressed by the evil rich people and I wasn't and all but it's a nice story.
ETA: never mind. Sleeping Tiger up in here and intelligible debate is over.
So I went and had a 4 month search for a job with better pay and a higher ceiling. I got a job with about equal pay and started in the bottom rung. I busted my tail and got moved up so that I wasn't eating ramen and peanut butter sandwiches 15 times a week.
Then that job skill translated to a career that takes care of my family.
Not that it would apply to these people because they're being oppressed by the evil rich people and I wasn't and all but it's a nice story.
ETA: never mind. Sleeping Tiger up in here and intelligible debate is over.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 9/4/14 at 6:33 pm to Duke
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It also rewards those lucky enough to come out of the right vagina
Smart, hard work came into play at some point.
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let's not act like there are equal outcomes for equal intelligence and effort
"equal" is just wordplay that has entered the American psyche from those who wish to further socialism and communism. When people stop comparing their 'haves and have nots' to others, there will be a lot more happier people. Keeping up with the Joneses is a national past time now.
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They are working and trying to cut out a living. They're at least putting in the effort. No need to demonize them.
I'm not. I'm demonizing the ones that make no effort to better or improve themselves and are simply demanding more, just because of "equality and fairness".
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They have every right to demand more pay though, no matter how much anyone thinks they "deserve".
Yep. And employers and observers have every right to ridicule those demands and voice an opinion against them.
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The system is how much you can get, not what you deserve to get
They're playing the growing system of, I should have what you have, because that's what I deserve.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 6:37 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Grammar boom. I bet you feel all superior now. 
Define highly educated.
And, once again I ask what does this have to do with a 38 year old deserving $15 an hour to drop some fries into some grease?
Your continuing question basically is stating.. rich is bad. If a Utopia could exist, that'd be wonderful. It doesn't though and until you can eliminate laziness, selfishness and narcissism, along with the greed you want to eliminate.. then capitalism is the way to go.
I bet you feel all superior now. quote:
the statement 'go make a better life for yourself' is unfair when we consider that many people who are highly educated are working in the service industry.
Define highly educated.
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'Average' was a key word in the sentence you quoted. The average meal eaten by an American travels a frightening distance before it's consumed -- thanks to a centralized power structure in the food industry.
And, once again I ask what does this have to do with a 38 year old deserving $15 an hour to drop some fries into some grease?
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But at what cost?
Your continuing question basically is stating.. rich is bad. If a Utopia could exist, that'd be wonderful. It doesn't though and until you can eliminate laziness, selfishness and narcissism, along with the greed you want to eliminate.. then capitalism is the way to go.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 6:47 pm to Alahunter
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Your continuing question basically is stating.. rich is bad.
That's not at all what I've said, I'd appreciate it if you withheld your urge to take great leaps of assumption.
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If a Utopia could exist, that'd be wonderful
I don't propose a Utopia, and neither do the ideologies that I study.
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It doesn't though and until you can eliminate laziness, selfishness and narcissism, along with the greed you want to eliminate.. then capitalism is the way to go.
Yes, if we can't eliminate all of these nasty elements of human nature we might as well have a system that exacerbates them to the fullest, brilliant. And anyway.. radical ideologies don't propose eliminating these elements of human nature, and in fact spend a great deal of time explaining that fixing human nature is not the aim or even necessary.
*Part of your problem is you can only see two colors on the spectrum, red and blue, or black and white, depending on how you want to look at it. I'll add that you have a rudimentary understanding of political theory, as evident by your assumption that socialism is always a pro state minded philosophy.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 9/4/14 at 6:50 pm to Alahunter
Don't have children if you can't afford them.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 6:51 pm to Alahunter
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When people stop comparing their 'haves and have nots' to others, there will be a lot more happier people. Keeping up with the Joneses is a national past time now.
Keeping up with the Joneses is the backbone of the American economy. The American consumer is the greatest engine of capitalism evah.
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I'm not. I'm demonizing the ones that make no effort to better or improve themselves and are simply demanding more, just because of "equality and fairness".
I had gotten general with my commentary by this point. It's a fair criticism. Life isn't and will never be fair.
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Yep. And employers and observers have every right to ridicule those demands and voice an opinion against them.
Sure. Who said they couldn't? I simply take issue with some of the criticisms. It's murica, we can do that.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 6:53 pm to Sleeping Tiger
For someone that likes to type a lot, you have very little to say. Perhaps you would like to enlighten folks on the ideologies that you study and seem to think are superior to capitalism and that would be more beneficial to society and individuals. I would be interested to see how they would enhance personal drive and the desire for achievement that has helped society evolve over the years.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 6:56 pm to Duke
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Keeping up with the Joneses is the backbone of the American economy.
I would argue, it's a recent phenomena. Progress throughout the 20th, 19th and 18th centuries for the most part, was made by individuals who were focused on improving themselves and families. Not based on getting what their neighbor had. It was born of a desire to improve the situation of their families and provide a better future for their children. Keeping up with the Joneses is more about, we gotta have a new gaming system, because Billy Bob just got a new one.
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It's murica, we can do that
Until they rule that isn't fair.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:29 pm to CatFan81
What they don't realize, is that half of them will lose their jobs if they win and get $15/hr. The cashiers will be fired and replaced with automated cashiers where the customer selects the order and puts the money in, similar to Wal Mart self checkouts.
That way, since the employer has to pay double hourly wage, his labor costs are the same due to only needing half of the employees for cooking/cleaning.
That way, since the employer has to pay double hourly wage, his labor costs are the same due to only needing half of the employees for cooking/cleaning.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:34 pm to deltaland
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What they don't realize, is that half of them will lose their jobs if they win and get $15/hr. The cashiers will be fired and replaced with automated cashiers where the customer selects the order and puts the money in, similar to Wal Mart self checkouts.
That way, since the employer has to pay double hourly wage, his labor costs are the same due to only needing half of the employees for cooking/cleaning.
There is a comma placement seminar in Tupelo this weekend, maybe you and Ala can meet up.
I can live with being a grammar Nazi, can you live with writing about how other people are stupid while displaying evidence that you haven't read a book since high school?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:35 pm to Alahunter
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would argue, it's a recent phenomena. Progress throughout the 20th, 19th and 18th centuries for the most part, was made by individuals who were focused on improving themselves and families. Not based on getting what their neighbor had. It was born of a desire to improve the situation of their families and provide a better future for their children. Keeping up with the Joneses is more about, we gotta have a new gaming system, because Billy Bob just got a new one.
This is what happens with a people get rich enough and comfortable enough. Just as the middle class start demanding rights once they don't have to just worry about where their food comes from.
I argue this is natural and good for a healthy 21st century economy. The downside is this is an expensive proposition and not everybody can keep up.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:00 pm to Sleeping Tiger
You're an insufferable douche. I'm not writing a fricking term paper .
Considering I graduated college and have started my own farm at 23 yrs old, yes I can live with writing about how stupid people are who don't know how businesses react to costs going up. What have you done with your life besides sitting in your basement on the internet pondering meaningless philosophy?
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can you live with writing about how other people are stupid while displaying evidence that you haven't read a book since high school?
Considering I graduated college and have started my own farm at 23 yrs old, yes I can live with writing about how stupid people are who don't know how businesses react to costs going up. What have you done with your life besides sitting in your basement on the internet pondering meaningless philosophy?
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 8:01 pm
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