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re: So, alot of fast food protesters were arrested today...
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:43 am to The Spleen
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:43 am to The Spleen
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But that's an unfair criticism when you look at middle and upper class credit card debt and bankruptcies. This entire country in every income bracket lives beyond their means.
This has to be one of the more ridicules comparisons ever made. When you see these people marching in the street claiming their credit card debt is someone else's responsibility let me know.
A fast food job is not intended to support a family much less three grown kids. An even worse choice is spending 4 years and 50,000 dollars on a degree in Human Animal Conflict or some other ignorant shite then complaining about employment prospects.
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In summary, it's an issue that needs addressing, but too many people(many in this thread) would rather just laugh it off and demonize the workers.
I don't think you have any idea what the word demonize means. LINK
It certainly is not holding someone accountable for their own horid choices in life.
frick the whinning count and her lazy arse grown kids I hope they die of starvation
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:45 am to Alahunter
When you work in a place that customer's order by numbers then you get paid like you work in a place that customer's order by numbers.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:45 am to The Spleen
double post
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:45 am to PrivatePublic
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GM vs. a Toyota? Give me a fricking break.
GM and Ford are putting cars out right now that are just as good as Toyota, Honda, Nissan, et al. The American manufacturers have caught up to the Japanese engineering in that regard. Problem is, they have 20 years of terrible perception to overcome.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:48 am to cave canem
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This has to be one of the more ridicules comparisons ever made. When you see these people marching in the street claiming their credit card debt is someone else's responsibility let me know.
It's only ridiculous when you completely miss the fricking point of the statement.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:49 am to The Spleen
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It's only ridiculous when you completely miss the fricking point of the statement.
And what was the point if any?
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:52 am to The Spleen
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GM and Ford are putting cars out right now that are just as good as Toyota, Honda, Nissan, et al.
Ford maybe, but Government Motors is still a sack of shite.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:55 am to The Spleen
A lot of those foreign manufacturers are making cars here anyway. Just because a company is based overseas doesn't mean they aren't manufacturing here.
The future of the economy will be based on small businesses in the service sector and "smart" manufacturing. What we don't have in cheap labor we have in skilled employees and better infrastructure. The transition is going to take a while and there are places the government could get out of the way/rethink regulations to help.
PS, all the conservative bitching about government dependency is just a reflection of the current labor market weakness and lack of inflation outside of food. Inflation goes up some and wages go up. There's incentive to work right there. Work on making a sleeker and more efficient government that doesn't let big companies rent seek at the expense of small business. The entitlement panic is overblown.
The future of the economy will be based on small businesses in the service sector and "smart" manufacturing. What we don't have in cheap labor we have in skilled employees and better infrastructure. The transition is going to take a while and there are places the government could get out of the way/rethink regulations to help.
PS, all the conservative bitching about government dependency is just a reflection of the current labor market weakness and lack of inflation outside of food. Inflation goes up some and wages go up. There's incentive to work right there. Work on making a sleeker and more efficient government that doesn't let big companies rent seek at the expense of small business. The entitlement panic is overblown.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:59 am to 3nOut
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I wonder why the cost to produce in America is so high compared to others?
It's not that much more expensive. It's just cutting labor costs are easy and an obvious short term way of cutting costs.
The cost of corruption and shite infrastructure in places like China and Mexico aren't so obvious.
Our tax policy isn't helping though nor many of the regulations that do little actual good and cost much money and time. The government is certainly part of the problem.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:02 am to NATidefan
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I love how this thread is full of the people that are on TD all day long... Alahunter, Belle, Catfan, parkjas, CNB, Mizzeaux, UMrealist, TelaFawx, etc... All you hard workers that spend so much of your day working SOOOOO fricking hard, and yet you still can find the time to play on TD... pretty much ALL frickING DAY LONG... and bitch about people that don't make much money, and that don't have time to play on the internet, and them maybe wanting to make a little bit more money off your lazy asses.
To be fair, how many of them actually have real jobs?
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:05 am to Duke
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The entitlement panic is overblown.
In your opinion maybe.
In mine, when I check out at a grocery store and see somebody buy a Crapton of food on WIC/EBT cards, then buy cigs and beer with their own money all while talking on their iPhone/Galaxy S4, it's not a panic. It's a legit frigging issue.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:06 am to The Spleen
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Maybe not $15 per hour, but someone working a full time job should be making enough to cover basic living expenses. What that amount is, I don't know. It's easy to say fast food jobs should be for high schoolers, but that's not the reality. The median age of non-management fast food workers is around 30. It's also easy to say some make poor decisions in life and live outside of their means. But that's an unfair criticism when you look at middle and upper class credit card debt and bankruptcies. This entire country in every income bracket lives beyond their means. In summary, it's an issue that needs addressing, but too many people(many in this thread) would rather just laugh it off and demonize the workers.
Sure, and I want a salary increase reflective of whatever those burger-flippers get.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:10 am to 3nOut
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In mine, when I check out at a grocery store and see somebody buy a Crapton of food on WIC/EBT cards, then buy cigs and beer with their own money all while talking on their iPhone/Galaxy S4, it's not a panic. It's a legit frigging issue.
Thats a nice stereotype, but most people who have EBT cards legitimately need them.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:11 am to cave canem
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And what was the point if any?
The point is it is another tactic used to demonize(yes, I know what the word means) the low wage earners when it is a problem that persists in every income bracket. Are there low wage workers who make poor financial decisions? Absolutely. Are there middle class earners that make poor financial decision? Yep. What about high income individuals? Yep.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:12 am to 3nOut
Overblown doesn't mean it isn't an issue and there isn't waste/abuse within the system.
What I'm getting at is the panic over the spending fixes it's self with a stronger economy where people are making more money.
I'm not saying we shouldn't reconsider how we administer the needs based programs, but that the primary focus needs to be building a better economy. It goes a long way to lowering the cost of social programs and getting more people working or at least working a jobs that allow them to support themselves and have a better future.
All of that being said, every needs based program should be rolled up into one umbrella that gives out a direct payment for rent/food/whatever else. The bloated bureaucracy is expensive and doesn't deliver the benefit of the dollar spent.
What I'm getting at is the panic over the spending fixes it's self with a stronger economy where people are making more money.
I'm not saying we shouldn't reconsider how we administer the needs based programs, but that the primary focus needs to be building a better economy. It goes a long way to lowering the cost of social programs and getting more people working or at least working a jobs that allow them to support themselves and have a better future.
All of that being said, every needs based program should be rolled up into one umbrella that gives out a direct payment for rent/food/whatever else. The bloated bureaucracy is expensive and doesn't deliver the benefit of the dollar spent.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:12 am to Duke
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The entitlement panic is overblown.
Being as entitlements have been an ever increasing part of gov. expenses and we are going farther in debt where does it end? At what point is the gov unable to pay for these entitlements and service its debt? How much of our budget is appropriate to spend on these entitlements? Is this something you have ever contemplated? If so I am really interested in your answer.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:16 am to The Spleen
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The point is it is another tactic used to demonize(yes, I know what the word means) the low wage earners when it is a problem that persists in every income bracket. Are there low wage workers who make poor financial decisions? Absolutely. Are there middle class earners that make poor financial decision? Yep. What about high income individuals? Yep.
OK, your point is that people in every economic group makes bad choices? Pretty profound shite there bud.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:17 am to Pavoloco83
It's not a stereo type. I live in a historic neighborhood. So a bunch or nicer older homes surrounded by section 8. When I go to the closest grocery store and not the rich white folk one across town, I see it all the time.
Pretend like I'm just making that up, that's fine.
And I don't doubt the need for people that need EBT. I was close in college. I don't fault people for needing it, I fault the ones that do for abusing it. Acting like it's not widespread is sticking your head in the sand.
Pretend like I'm just making that up, that's fine.
And I don't doubt the need for people that need EBT. I was close in college. I don't fault people for needing it, I fault the ones that do for abusing it. Acting like it's not widespread is sticking your head in the sand.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:22 am to cave canem
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Being as entitlements have been an ever increasing part of gov. expenses and we are going farther in debt where does it end?
Robust economic growth on the back of technology that will make the industrial revolution look like a blip on the radar. There is so much potential for growth it is amazing.
There are results you can see now. We can buy handheld touchscreen computers that you can hold in your hand for a couple of hundred dollars. 20 years ago? A slow arse computer cost a thousand dollars. This has allowed for companies like Facebook and Google to exist and make thousands wealthy. We could go on for hours.
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At what point is the gov unable to pay for these entitlements and service its debt?
The point at which the government keeps with the status quo, blinding spending on everything and wasting so much on policing the bloated bureaucracy. We're not even close to this being a problem, but I'll grant you this is the direction we are headed.
Big organizations are terribly wasteful and inefficient by nature.
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How much of our budget is appropriate to spend on these entitlements?
Whatever it needs to be. A strong economy makes the need shrink. An economy with stagnant wage growth and job growth makes those costs balloon.
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Is this something you have ever contemplated?
Clearly. I just beleive the problem is a result of a huge inefficient organization beholden to large rent seekers and not the money being spent for food and rent by poor people. You fix the systemic problems and you fix the entitlement problems.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:23 am to 3nOut
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then buy cigs and beer with their own money all while talking on their iPhone/Galaxy S4, it's not a panic. It's a legit frigging issue.
So you think they should use the EBT card for their cigs and beer purchases? I don't see the problem really.
And iPhones are pretty cheap nowadays with certain plans. The lady that cleans my house got an iPhone at Walmart for $10, and is on that StraightTalk plan for $45 per month. Seems reasonable to me.
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