re: Scientists prove climate change will cause heavy rainfall in Britain.

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And yet I bet you hate the EPA.

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Not at all. Well, the declaration of CO2 being a toxin or whatever the hell it was they did did kinda chap my arse, but that was just a stupid political move. The EPA has done a lot of good over the years. Not sure why you'd think I would hate them.

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...and we have exported most of our manufacturing and most of the related pollution to china which is a mess.

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Heh. I don't think I've ever seen "exported" used in this context. We lost manufacturing, no doubt about that. We still have the main offenders from the 60's here, though, but they've cleaned up their act. Not perfect or near it, but definitely better. If you want to credit the EPA I'm fine with that. I'm not sure what your point was.

In the spirit of accuracy I want to get this right.

You said you disagree with me, I asked what you disagreed with, you responded that your didn't re-read the thread, which means you didn't read the thread, it's not like you were involved in the thread earlier.

You said you didn't like what I said about pollution, yet I didn't talk about pollution.

You saw that I was going back 'n forth with Klarvin so you assumed that I took the liberal stance.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't make this mistake again.

No fair editing after I reply, dammit.

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Temperature records have been manipulated to make the current warming seem more drastic than it is. There is absolutely no doubt of this.

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Absolute bullshite. Please feel free to back this up. A noted climate scientist had issues with the data and the Koch brothers funded a study by him that concluded the data was accurate. And to think that other scientists would not notice this kind of glaring simple problem is tin foil hat wearing stuff

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Not enough energy to pull it up tonight, but it's pretty easy to find temperature records from GISS and other sources where old temps have been "adjusted" down. And here's one you'll like, from when I was more interested in this stuff:


I have a couple of nice graphs showing the 30's in the US clearly being the warmest decade since 1880 in pre-99 records, but then mysteriously the 90's were by far the warmest decade after '99 (again restricted to the US). The data is from GISS, though I stupidly didn't keep the original data source so I won't post those until I dig it up.

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Arctic sea ice is troubling... until you look at Antarctic sea ice.

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Both the Arctic and Antarctic ice has been melting and at an ever accelerating rate. This is not in dispute by any rational person

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This one is much easier.

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My point is you are comparing now to the most polluted period in our history.

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Yep! Doesn't mean it isn't better, does it?

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Try comparing it to 150 years ago.

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Oh come on! Are you serious? I wonder why that is???

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Yes indeed the antarctic SEA ice is not melting.

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Which is exactly what I said here:

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Arctic sea ice is troubling... until you look at Antarctic sea ice.

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you're an imbecile.

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WTF is wrong with you? Seriously.

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"You're just idealistic and irrelevant" -- Roger Klarvin

is also the guy I agree with most. That's messed up.

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Climate-gate video

My favorite part is when he discusses how the same politicians that are saying that global warming is man-made are the very same politicians that allow our industrial jobs to go over to china and india, the biggest polluters of them all. Hmmmmm.....

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Absolute bullshite. Please feel free to back this up. A noted climate scientist had issues with the data and the Koch brothers funded a study by him that concluded the data was accurate. And to think that other scientists would not notice this kind of glaring simple problem is tin foil hat wearing stuff

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There was a big dust up four or five years ago when some hackers got a hold of a bunch of emails exchanged amongst politicians and climate scientists which were pretty incriminating. Some of the emails themselves actually got out on reddit IIRC.

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The material was taken from servers at the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit – a world-renowned climate change research centre – before it was published on websites run by climate change sceptics.


It has been claimed that the emails show that scientists manipulated data to bolster their argument that global warming is genuine and is being caused by human actions.


One email seized upon by sceptics as supposed evidence of this, refers to a “trick” being employed to massage temperature statistics to “hide the decline”.

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One of the emails under scrutiny, dated November 1999, reads: "I've just completed Mike's Nature [the science journal] trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie, from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

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They were investigated and cleared of wrong doing, but the "investigation" was pretty shady. I'm not talking Sleeping Tiger shady, I mean the people doing the investigating were themselves implicated in the emails.

Now, does this mean that global warming is made up? Of course not, the evidence that the temperatures are rising is overwhelming. HOWEVER, I believe it is disingenuous to ignore that this is easily the most politicized scientific issue right now and major points are to be gained by winning the "debate".

The difference, and this is why one side is clearly winning, is that many conservatives flat out deny global warming altogether while liberals merely exaggerating its effects.

I've said, repeatedly, that global warming is a fact.

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Dude can you not even fricking read

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I read just fine that you think I should compare current pollution/conditions to 150 years ago, but I'm the imbecile. I got both of those right, didn't I?