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re: Scientists confirm "No Big Bang. Universe has no beginning"
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:20 pm to Kentucker
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:20 pm to Kentucker
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Peer review is the strongest part of the scientific method. It's extremely difficult to be a fraudulent scientist. From Piltdown Man to the recent scandal regarding stem cell creation in Japan, peer review not only tests the validity of all theories, it exposes those who would defraud the public.
And this is exactly why it works. Scientists chest thump because, you know.
The Moon.
Mars.
Microwaves.
Medical research.
Haber Process.
Porn.
Without science, none of this would be even remotely plausible.
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:20 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Genesis 1:1 is all you need to know.
Sorry about 38 studios, Curt.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:20 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Maybe porn, but high quality?
Science.
Science.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:21 pm to RedPants
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My point was that the scientific community far too aften pounds their chest about scientific knowledge while looking down at those of us who have faith in God.
You should really learn to use the word some. For example, "Some in the scientific community..." It doesn't sound paranoid when you say it that way.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:22 pm to CockInYourEar
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Genesis 1:1 is all you need to know.
Genesis claims there was a "time" before the universe existed and God brought it into existence a given point. The article in question asserts that universe is essentially eternal and had no beginning.
The great irony of Christian opposition to the big bang is that it is actually far more conducive to the Biblical narrative than the alternatives. Some Christians are just so damn fearful of big bad science that they immediately shun it. An eternal universe eliminates the need for God.
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:23 pm to Kentucker
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Peer review is the strongest part of the scientific method. It's extremely difficult to be a fraudulent scientist. From Piltdown Man to the recent scandal regarding stem cell creation in Japan, peer review not only tests the validity of all theories, it exposes those who would defraud the public.
I agree that peer review is a great way to insure scientists are operating ethically, in terms of producing reliable data. The problem is that most people get their information from mainstream media outlets. The authors of these articles are often untrained writers interpreting complicated subjects and regurgitating the information as they see fit.
It may take a genius, or three, to produce these experiments and objective papers, but a complete moron my be writing the article that is read by thousands to hundreds of thousands of people.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:26 pm to Kentucker
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You should really learn to use the word some.
I did, in my original point I said vocal sector. You guys are picking out parts of my argument and twisting what I'm saying to fit your narrative. My problem isn't with science, I'm a huge proponent of it like we all should be. My problem is with the arrogance of those in the community that look down at others for their religious beliefs.
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:26 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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And this is exactly why it works. Scientists chest thump because, you know.
The Moon.
Mars.
Microwaves.
Medical research.
Haber Process.
Exactly
We've tried the religious/mystic method for answering life's great questions, and the scientific method has objectively proven far superior in significantly less time. It has brought us farther in the last hundred years than religion did over the course of thousands.
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:27 pm to RedPants
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I did, in my original point I said vocal sector. You guys are picking out parts of my argument and twisting what I'm saying to fit your narrative. My problem isn't with science, I'm a huge proponent of it like we all should be. My problem is with the arrogance of those in the community that look down at others for their religious beliefs.
Which is a pretty stark minority, almost negligible.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:28 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Which is a pretty stark minority
Based on your post history, you seem to be one of them. If I'm wrong, let me know.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:30 pm to RedPants
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My problem is with the arrogance of those in the community that look down at others for their religious beliefs.
When people choose to fight against the teaching of evolution, or not vaccinate their kids, or argue for a worldwide flood, or subjugate women, or any number of other things based on their religion and largely contrary to the evidence available then yes I do look down on them. People who do those things are inherently less valuable to society because they impede progress for no reason other than they were taught someone nonsensical at an impressionable age.
I don't inherently frown upon religious belief, but it too often attempts to step into arenas it has no business in.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:31 pm to RedPants
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Based on your post history, you seem to be one of them. If I'm wrong, let me know.
Believing in science =/= involved with the scientific community.
My beef is with Jesus and his waterwalkin' arse not having solid proof of existing altogether -- or at least him not being a conglomeration of others around that period of time, or him not being what's proposed in the Bible.
So anyway, my mother is hyper religious, and I don't find her stupid -- it makes sense to me, especially with how little we know, it's difficult not to seek solace in higher powers whether it be impersonal (pantheism) or personal (as Christianity).
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I don't inherently frown upon religious belief, but it too often attempts to step into arenas it has no business in.
I'll jump on that bandwagon as well. This is my main contention.
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When people choose to fight against the teaching of evolution, or not vaccinate their kids, or argue for a worldwide flood, or subjugate women, or any number of other things based on their religion and largely contrary to the evidence available then yes I do look down on them.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
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but it too often attempts to step into arenas it has no business in.
That I can agree with.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:34 pm to RedPants
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My problem is with the arrogance of those in the community that look down at others for their religious beliefs.
Why on earth do you give a damn what other people think?
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:35 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Religious people aren't stupid, at least not inherently because they are religious. Stupidity implies an inability to learn. Hyper religious individuals are the way they are largely due to a lack of effort. Their belief system gives them all the answers they could ever need and thus many stop seeking. If I have Jesus, what else do I need?
Is it marvelous in it's simplicity and comforts us. It is much easier to go through life that way.
Is it marvelous in it's simplicity and comforts us. It is much easier to go through life that way.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:36 pm to Kentucker
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Why on earth do you give a damn what other people think?
Why do you post on a message board?
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:39 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It is much easier to go through life that way.
This. The intake of knowledge will always displace that which someone already knew. That can be scary. I think that's why some people choose to stop learning.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:41 pm to RedPants
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Why do you post on a message board?
I wasn't clear. Sorry. Why do you give a damn that others might look down on you because of what you think? Isn't that their problem?
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:51 pm to Kentucker
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Isn't that their problem?
It is, and in my day to day life I tend to just let it slide, but here it makes for good message board conversation on a slow work day.
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