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re: More Pussification in Youth Athletics
Posted on 3/6/14 at 7:59 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 3/6/14 at 7:59 pm to Vols&Shaft83
^Don't be naive. And even if he didn't see it - still doesn't change things to 'zomg, no competition !'
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Posted on 3/6/14 at 8:20 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Well, they broke the rules.
Rules is rules.
Rules is rules.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 8:23 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Given the state of AAU basketball, and the me-centric basketball it promotes that has essentially ruined college basketball because wanna be street agents instead of high school coaches are the ones steering kids, zero fricks are given by me about 10 year olds having to play everyone. It should teach the really good kids how to play with other kids not as good, focus on fundamentals, etc.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 8:23 pm to Prof
"Pussification" is one of the stupidest concepts around.
I remember when they tried to spare our feet, ankles, knees, hips and back in the military the old guys said they were being soft on us. It's fortunate that most people in the present-day military may not have to worry about that.
After that, I heard a few boxers say that you ought not spar every day and limit how many punches you take to the head. I'm sure the older boxers will disagree, but I'm certain limiting punches to the noggin is a relatively good thing.
Then, when I started to get more involved with jujitsu they told me to fight at 75% to avoid injury.
You seriously remind me of Idiocracy where whenever someone starts speaking intelligently, bringing up psychological reasons or even physiological reasons not to do something your response is: Why are you talkin' all faggy?
Ease up tough guy, nothing will happen with young boys and girls not developing sociopathic behavior before they hit puberty.
I remember when they tried to spare our feet, ankles, knees, hips and back in the military the old guys said they were being soft on us. It's fortunate that most people in the present-day military may not have to worry about that.
After that, I heard a few boxers say that you ought not spar every day and limit how many punches you take to the head. I'm sure the older boxers will disagree, but I'm certain limiting punches to the noggin is a relatively good thing.
Then, when I started to get more involved with jujitsu they told me to fight at 75% to avoid injury.
You seriously remind me of Idiocracy where whenever someone starts speaking intelligently, bringing up psychological reasons or even physiological reasons not to do something your response is: Why are you talkin' all faggy?
Ease up tough guy, nothing will happen with young boys and girls not developing sociopathic behavior before they hit puberty.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 8:24 pm to Prof
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^Don't be naive. And even if he didn't see it - still doesn't change things to 'zomg, no competition !'
I'm angry more at the asinine rules than I am at the disqualification.
Ok, they broke the stupid rule. That doesn't excuse the existence of the stupid rule.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 8:28 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Ease up tough guy, nothing will happen with young boys and girls not developing sociopathic behavior before they hit puberty.
Trying to win an athletic competition is now a sociopathic behavior?
Posted on 3/6/14 at 8:34 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Trying to win an athletic competition is now a sociopathic behavior?
Cheating to do so sure sounds like it. "Winning at all costs" is for pussies. They're fricking ten, not trying to win a war. You can save that for puberty.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 8:44 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Cheating to do so sure sounds like it. "Winning at all costs" is for pussies. They're fricking ten, not trying to win a war. You can save that for puberty.
First of all, the kids weren't cheating, they just played the game. If the coach knew the rules and decided to ignore them, that's on him. He claims he wasn't aware of the rule.
What's wrong with teaching kids that trying to be the best is a good thing? I know it's only a 5th grader basketball game, but what kind of message do you send when everyone gets a prize regardless of ability or more importantly, EFFORT?
Posted on 3/6/14 at 8:53 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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First of all, the kids weren't cheating, they just played the game. If the coach knew the rules and decided to ignore them, that's on him. He claims he wasn't aware of the rule.
I suppose you've never heard of "lead by example", a common theme among insecure men.
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What's wrong with teaching kids that trying to be the best is a good thing? I know it's only a 5th grader basketball game, but what kind of message do you send when everyone gets a prize regardless of ability or more importantly, EFFORT?
Effort is fine, there's nothing wrong with telling a kid to try their hardest. As it's said before, however: Winning and losing at that age is irrelevant. They forget it when they get their ice cream. Stressing VICTORY doesn't do anything more than stressing DEFEAT.
That you even use the term "pussification" is an accurate barometer of your ignorance. Again, they're ten. They don't need direction on not wanting to lose, or understanding what losing is about, that'll come in high school, adulthood, mid-life crisis, but eventually it'll come. It's not something that necessitates artificial measures.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:02 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
At 10, they're capable of thinking about more than ice cream. In other threads on this board it's been talked about that some 10 year olds are already talking about sex. I was competitive and wanted to be good at anything I attempted by the age of 10.
ETA: I didn't know about sex at 10.
ETA: I didn't know about sex at 10.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:02 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I suppose you've never heard of "lead by example", a common theme among insecure men.
What does that have to do with what I posted?
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That you even use the term "pussification" is an accurate barometer of your ignorance. Again, they're ten. They don't need direction on not wanting to lose, or understanding what losing is about, that'll come in high school, adulthood, mid-life crisis, but eventually it'll come. It's not something that necessitates artificial measures.
What do you mean "Artificial Measures"? Like a scoreboard?
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:06 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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What does that have to do with what I posted?
How do you think kids like being disqualified? What do you think they ponder about their coach?
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What do you mean "Artificial Measures"? Like a scoreboard?
That losing is a lesson that necessitates instruction, as if a person doesn't learn this trait early and often.
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I was competitive when I was ten.
So was I, and they gave trophies to everyone. I could conceptualize and count, too, and I knew when we lost. The trophies didn't matter, my own self-respect did.
Again, you guys are advocating a thing that's learned automatically.
And ten year olds are learning about sex in certain states, but it's pretty much ubiquitously frowned upon aside from Germany -- the Alabama of Europe.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:07 pm to UMTigerRebel
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At 10, they're capable of thinking about more than ice cream. In other threads on this board it's been talked about that some 10 year olds are already talking about sex.
Hell, one 10 year old we talked about on here took his parent's car, and when the cops busted him, he claimed to be a midget who forgot his driver's license, TWICE.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:11 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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How do you think kids like being disqualified? What do you think they ponder about their coach?
Did you not read that the coach, parents and the school claimed they were unaware of the rule? The guy in charge of the damn tournament even said that he only learned about it a few days beforehand.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:15 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Did you not read that the coach, parents and the school claimed they were unaware of the rule? The guy in charge of the damn tournament even said that he only learned about it a few days beforehand.
Weird how all the other coaches got the memo.
I'll bet you believe Clinton didn't inhale, as well then?
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:21 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Weird how all the other coaches got the memo.
But only one of them said anything. And again, the rule is stupid, but if they knowingly broke the rule to win, then frick em. But that doesn't excuse the existence of the stupid rule.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:25 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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But only one of them said anything. And again, the rule is stupid, but if they knowingly broke the rule to win, then frick em. But that doesn't excuse the existence of the stupid rule.
Is subjective, and I've already given you an extremely lucid argument as to why this is inconsequential to begin with. Kids already know that they want to win and that they don't want to lose. Everyone's spreading anecdotal crap around and I already said: I knew about winning and losing, the trophy didn't teach me anything.
Mariokart did.
Again, they're 10, let 'em play and have fun and don't make a cutthroat competition out of something that's supposed to encourage sportsmanship and fun.
Don't vicariously live through your children because you were too much of a bitch in your youth.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:26 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Shaft, I'm not sure you're hearing what Straws is saying. No one's anti-competition but at any competition whether it's the Olympics, SEC football or whatever, you play be the rules or get rightfully DQ'd when caught.
The notion that kids are being 'pussified' is silly. There have been rules about ensuring every player gets playing time at youth levels, particular in youth rec leagues, for ages -- long before the curmudgeons got paranoid and said it was to make sports non-competitive. THAT is the nature of both youth sports and especially youth rec leagues and when a b-team player goes in he's fighting his tail off. He may not be as good or as tall as an a-team player but he's competing just as hard and the thing is that's how he learns the game and gets skills. The 10 year old b-teamer can easily turn into the middle school and HS varsity player or even be a college or pro star.
But if you turn him off to sports as kid and he never develops any skills because you refuse to play him, odds are it'll never happen.
The notion that kids are being 'pussified' is silly. There have been rules about ensuring every player gets playing time at youth levels, particular in youth rec leagues, for ages -- long before the curmudgeons got paranoid and said it was to make sports non-competitive. THAT is the nature of both youth sports and especially youth rec leagues and when a b-team player goes in he's fighting his tail off. He may not be as good or as tall as an a-team player but he's competing just as hard and the thing is that's how he learns the game and gets skills. The 10 year old b-teamer can easily turn into the middle school and HS varsity player or even be a college or pro star.
But if you turn him off to sports as kid and he never develops any skills because you refuse to play him, odds are it'll never happen.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:37 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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But only one of them said anything. And again, the rule is stupid, but if they knowingly broke the rule to win, then frick em. But that doesn't excuse the existence of the stupid rule.
Don't like the rule? Start another league that's competitive or join another league that's competitive.
As said, dumb rule or not, they look like a bunch of dumbasses for doing what they did when they knowingly signed up with that rule in place.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:38 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Don't like the rule? Start another league that's competitive or join another league that's competitive.
As said, dumb rule or not, they look like a bunch of dumbasses for doing what they did when they knowingly signed up with that rule in place.
Hey now, no one knew about it...except for every other team in the league.
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