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re: Missouri Confederate Forces Were 1st to Kill Union General in Civil War
Posted on 12/5/14 at 12:51 pm to arkyhawk
Posted on 12/5/14 at 12:51 pm to arkyhawk
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Congrats on losing the Civil War
We both won and lost. Can't even make this shite up.
In reality, there were no winners in the Civil War. The entire nation lost.
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 12:55 pm to mizzoukills
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Several historians believe that, sooooo......yes!
Sooooo let's say Mizzou just completely wipes the floor with Kansas in their fights, KA "surrenders", doesn't want anything to do with the borders battles anymore. What does that accomplish for either side in the Civil War exactly?
Posted on 12/5/14 at 1:03 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
I love history and civil war history. Time change though. 150 years makes a difference. I'm actually pleased at the amount of knowledge on this board regarding that war.
Having said that the total battles in Missouri would rank 3rd behind Virginia and Tennessee. Also the average number of combined forces is much greater in the major battles in the latter two states. They simply dwarf Wilson Creek( the largest battle in Missouri). Other states largest battles also dwarf Wilson Creek. In fact with the exception of TX and FL, every other " southern" state's largest battle is bigger than Wilson Creek, unless you are counting skirmishes in IN,OH,VT,IL,NM, and OK.
Having said that the total battles in Missouri would rank 3rd behind Virginia and Tennessee. Also the average number of combined forces is much greater in the major battles in the latter two states. They simply dwarf Wilson Creek( the largest battle in Missouri). Other states largest battles also dwarf Wilson Creek. In fact with the exception of TX and FL, every other " southern" state's largest battle is bigger than Wilson Creek, unless you are counting skirmishes in IN,OH,VT,IL,NM, and OK.
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 12/5/14 at 1:07 pm to mizzoukills
Then why did Missouri bring a massive Army into Arkansas to fight Arkansas, Louisiana and Texas regiments?
The more things change the more they stay the same. Today It's still Arkansas, LSU and Texas A&M against the Tigers.
The more things change the more they stay the same. Today It's still Arkansas, LSU and Texas A&M against the Tigers.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 1:18 pm to SunHog
FUN FACT:
The other name given for the Battle of Lexington, Missouri was the "Battle of the Hemp Bales." During this battle the first land mines were used during the war.
The other name given for the Battle of Lexington, Missouri was the "Battle of the Hemp Bales." During this battle the first land mines were used during the war.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 1:21 pm to NotRight37
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Having said that the total battles in Missouri would rank 3rd behind Virginia and Tennessee
However, you're not counting the battles we fought from 1855 - 1865.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:02 pm to SunHog
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:07 pm to Numberwang
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Literally no one cares.
Mizzou fanbase >>>>>> piglet fanbase
sorry but IT'S A FACT
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:21 pm to Jagd Tiger
That pic is from inside my house, took it w/ my iphone.
I made those shirts back in '07 to piss off the ku fans who referred to us as "Slavers" (they still do) and were making Redleg and Jayhawker themed shirts for the Border War game.
One of my buddies was dumb enough to post a pic of the Scoreboard shirt on a Mizzou message board and the rest is of course history. I had interview requests come at me from even the Wall Street Journal of all things, declined because I didn't want to get sued by Mizzou for using the logo that way even though I never sold the shirts. They interviewed another guy in KC and resulted in this article.
When the ku student newspaper, the Daily Kansan, came onto the Mizzou message board looking to interview me though, I couldn't help but frick with them. Made up a fake identity with a fake gmail account - "Jeff James," a fictional 32 year old St. Charles native and a pun on Jesse James who rode with Quantrill - and they were dumb enough to run with it, resulting in this article
I made those shirts back in '07 to piss off the ku fans who referred to us as "Slavers" (they still do) and were making Redleg and Jayhawker themed shirts for the Border War game.
One of my buddies was dumb enough to post a pic of the Scoreboard shirt on a Mizzou message board and the rest is of course history. I had interview requests come at me from even the Wall Street Journal of all things, declined because I didn't want to get sued by Mizzou for using the logo that way even though I never sold the shirts. They interviewed another guy in KC and resulted in this article.
When the ku student newspaper, the Daily Kansan, came onto the Mizzou message board looking to interview me though, I couldn't help but frick with them. Made up a fake identity with a fake gmail account - "Jeff James," a fictional 32 year old St. Charles native and a pun on Jesse James who rode with Quantrill - and they were dumb enough to run with it, resulting in this article
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:23 pm to Jagd Tiger
You are right, I'm not counting your border war with KS from 1855-1860. What was the biggest battle there 200 guys total. I'm talking about the real war where 50,000 plus people squared off on the regular. Often times over 100,000 people. I tried to give you some credit, but damn OP. Facts are facts.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:33 pm to NotRight37
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You are right, I'm not counting your border war with KS from 1855-1860.
Then you fail to understand what happened in Missouri.
Fact is, if the major Southern army had been able to get remotely close to Missouri, then major battles would have occurred there. The very fact that the Confederate army couldn't get there is *why* most of the real action in Missouri that took place was a guerrilla war. The fact it wasn't regular armies fighting made it more brutal and dangerous, not less. This is typically the case with just about any informal guerrilla war anywhere that occurs.
If a Confederate soldier in the regular army in the South surrendered, he was captured and put in a prison camp.
If a pro-South Missouri bushwhacker surrendered, he was given no quarter and would be executed, probably with his head marched around on a pole in some nearby town to make an example to the locals.
You tell me which fighter was "really" at war.
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:36 pm to NotRight37
apparently you're easily confused, I was responding to the piglet, Numberwang, who said "no one cares", when in fact we have a larger fanbase than they do.
and yes, IT's A FACT.
and yes, IT's A FACT.
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:40 pm to Patton
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You can do this in New York. Does that mean New York is southern?
Calm down francis. It was a joke.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:43 pm to Jagd Tiger
Missouris order of secession was admitted by the CSA on 10/31/1861. Missouri is a Southern state. I fly a confederate flag nor do I give a Frick if I offend anyone. I'm 5th generation southern and my family hails from Mississippi and fought for the South. I will always identify as a confederate.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:48 pm to yumahog
So, Missourians killed other Missourians, Kansas, and Oklahoma folks too.
Sounds good to me. Well done.
Sounds good to me. Well done.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:50 pm to bama1959
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So, Missourians killed other Missourians, Kansas, and Oklahoma folks too.
yea in wars, border states/nations, tend to be some of the worst places to live... go figure.
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:51 pm to NotRight37
Ahhhh...so real battles involves at least 100,000 plus people.
If that's the case, I guess our soldiers haven't fought a real war since WWII.
Gotcha.
If that's the case, I guess our soldiers haven't fought a real war since WWII.
Gotcha.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:53 pm to mizzoukills
Missouri provided 110000 troops to the Union, and only 40000 to the Confederacy.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:58 pm to skrayper
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Missouri provided 110000 troops to the Union, and only 40000 to the Confederacy
40,000 sounds like a lot of Missouri troops!
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