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re: Mississippi State refuses to take down MIssissippi flag
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:42 pm to pankReb
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:42 pm to pankReb
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By itself....you're correct
But given its context throughout history...its a different story. The same could be said for the flag of the nazi party. The flag, itself, doesn't represent anything racist or oppressive.
Just because it has been used racially before doesn't mean it's always being used racially.
I don't get the calling for it to be taken down thing. If you truly find it offensive, then why would you associate yourself with the university? If you don't associate with the University, then why do you care?
And again, I'm just trying to understand since obviously I dont.
This post was edited on 11/5/15 at 6:03 pm
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Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:54 pm to Weagle25
The flag of the United States of America does NOT represent ALL of the Students, at any SEC University...
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:58 pm to pankReb
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You don't just tell everyone else to do your work for you. Hit the pavement and spread the message.
I don't have time. I have two businesses I own a share of to run and trying to start up a 3rd one
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:59 pm to Weagle25
No you're not. You're being flippant and dismissive of the other viewpoint. It doesn't take much to look at the history of thebflag and its uses by different groups to understand why it is offensive to people. If you can't understand it, that's a you problem, not a problem of those offended.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:59 pm to Sancho Panza
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The flag of the United States of America
Represented and flew over the country that had legal slavery much longer than the Confederacy. Flew over the armies that murdered and marched the native americans on the trail of tears. Flew over the country that allowed Jim Crow laws. But somehow that flag isn't offensive
Posted on 11/5/15 at 6:39 pm to Weagle25
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If you truly find it offensive, then why would you associate yourself with the university?
When you're trying to grow your alumni base...it helps to distance yourself from offensive things
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If you don't associate with the University, then why do you care?
Tell that to the dipshits not affiliated with the university.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 6:39 pm to The Spleen
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You're being flippant and dismissive of the other viewpoint.
I'm not trying to be dismissive or disrespectful. If I am I apologize.
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It doesn't take much to look at the history of thebflag and its uses by different groups to understand why it is offensive to people.
Do you honestly believe that MSU's intent is to be racist when they fly that flag?
I guess that's what I'm saying. I don't understand how you can be offended by it when it is so obvious that the intent is not malicious.
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If you can't understand it, that's a you problem, not a problem of those offended.
Don't agree with this. If something's been established, then the burden falls on those who want to change it to convince whoever has the ability to change it to do just that. That applies to anything. Not just racial things.
This post was edited on 11/5/15 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 11/5/15 at 7:32 pm to deltaland
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At least my alma mater has some balls to stand up to the PC bullshite, unlike the other schools in the state :shakesheadatOMandUSM:
Yeah, keep fighting the good fight
Posted on 11/5/15 at 7:33 pm to pankReb
Sure, but what about the variations of the American flag as it pertains to Native Americans, Chinese railroad "workers", Vietnamese, or even African Americans that were traded and enslaved under it?
This post was edited on 11/5/15 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 11/5/15 at 7:36 pm to deltaland
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he confederate flag has been on the ms state flag since the end of reconstruction as a way to honor the fallen soldiers on the confederacy. The flag wasn't used by hate groups until around the civil rights era..so in a historical context the state flag precedes the use of the confederate flag as a symbol of hate. If anything we should be putting pressure on hate groups to abandon the flag to preserve it's proper historical heritage
I understand where you are coming from. I really do.
But the fact remains that the Confederacy was fighting for, among other things, the right to own different colored humans. The flag has no place representing our state anymore other than in museums or the like. You can honor your heritage without forcing everyone else to live under a symbol that is arguably racist or at least the cause fought for being wrong.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 7:41 pm to deltaland
quote:If we didn't do it State fans would be counting it as another reason Ole Miss is racist.
At least my alma mater has some balls to stand up to the PC bullshite, unlike the other schools in the state
Posted on 11/5/15 at 9:09 pm to deltaland
Only places that damned flag should be flown at are Confederate cemeterys.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:22 pm to deltaland
Here's the student behind the movement at Ole Miss that got the flag remval done. Not only does he look very typical for an OM fan, but he fits what I've pictured Pank to look like to a T..
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:36 pm to Hardy_Har
I'd rather be called Liberals than Racist 
Posted on 11/6/15 at 12:04 am to deltaland
Good for them
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:23 am to Walt OReilly
It's a flag. It offends people and not for a ridiculous reason but for a pretty legit one. The issue here is it is probably time for Mississippi to change the flag. I can see why OM is on board with taking it down. Same reason a lot of the changes have been happening and needed to happen. This just seems like a real little brother move to refuse to do what big brother did.
Yes it is the flag of Mississippi. It's a piece of cloth. Just change it. It has changed plenty of times before. Tradishun can be stupid. Just because it has been around for more than 2 decades doesn't mean it has to stay for eternity.
Yes it is the flag of Mississippi. It's a piece of cloth. Just change it. It has changed plenty of times before. Tradishun can be stupid. Just because it has been around for more than 2 decades doesn't mean it has to stay for eternity.
This post was edited on 11/6/15 at 10:28 am
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:36 am to deltaland
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Mississippi State refuses to take down MIssissippi flag
Good for them
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:39 am to Weagle25
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Do you honestly believe that MSU's intent is to be racist when they fly that flag?
No, and that's not really the issue.
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I don't understand how you can be offended by it when it is so obvious that the intent is not malicious.
That's because you're white, but it's really easy to explain. Go back to the late 50's and early 60's when the civil rights fight was ongoing. Go back and research why certain southern states started flying the Confederate flag atop their capitol buildings. If you can't see how the motivation for that decision and the symbolism of the flag because of that decision might be offensive to blacks int he south, then I can't help you. It's not offensive to me as a white person, but I can understand why some blacks might be offended by it, and might be offended that the state of Mississippi continues to have that symbol in their state flag.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:43 am to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:47 am to DocHoliday11
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OM flies flag? Racist OM takes down flag? Liberals
This post was edited on 11/6/15 at 10:51 am
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