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re: Is there scientific evidence that some people are born gay?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 7:50 pm to sorantable
Posted on 9/29/14 at 7:50 pm to sorantable
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 7:56 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It blows my mind that some people actually believe "ex-gays" just stopped being attracted to the same sex because they started praying and reading the Bible.
So it's impossible?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:01 pm to sorantable
no
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:02 pm to the808bass
Could you ever pray hard enough to stop being attracted to women?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:04 pm to Roger Klarvin
It's true, you can't pray away the gay. I've prayed for Stonehog to meet his doom for awhile now.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:08 pm to the808bass
No, I have had a hard time believing prayer can change one's sexual preference. I do believe one can deny their own desires based on a religious beliefs system.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:11 pm to Duke
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I do believe one can deny their own desires based on a religious beliefs system.
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It's really no different than an alcoholic who stops drinking. Not one of them will tell you they just stopped craving alcohol one day. They simply came a point where they believed the consequences outweighed the desire to drink.
If the choice is gay sex now or Heaven later, and you truly believe those to be your options, that isn't really a choice at all.
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:11 pm to sorantable
I have to believe that they must be born that way. What in the hell could ever possibly happen to turn a straight person gay?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:20 pm to the808bass
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Sure I do. The tapestry of life is broader and richer than your experience and your presuppositions do not define other's experiences, even when you elevate them to statements of faith.
No. You don't. It would be convenient for your narrative, a narrative that supports something you believe to be true, so you justify selling your narrative. It's text book narcissism. That you expect others to take you at your word, knowing full well that it's a lie, but you argue it's truth because above all else, your premise is yours, and it should be accepted simply because you have said it. Pray away the gay doesn't work and it never has. You don't know three people that have done it. You're lying.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:23 pm to the808bass
I believe you 808
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:27 pm to Roger Klarvin
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If the choice is gay sex now or Heaven later, and you truly believe those to be your options, that isn't really a choice at all.
No doubt. To that end you'll jump through mental hoops to keep the temptation at bay. I'm no fan of the idea of denying thy self for some belief structure, but if it adds something positive to their lives who am I to decide what is best?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:31 pm to TeLeFaWx
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No. You don't. It would be convenient for your narrative, a narrative that supports something you believe to be true, so you justify selling your narrative. It's text book narcissism. That you expect others to take you at your word, knowing full well that it's a lie, but you argue it's truth because above all else, your premise is yours, and it should be accepted simply because you have said it. Pray away the gay doesn't work and it never has. You don't know three people that have done it. You're lying.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:36 pm to sorantable
It's common sense. I don't choose to be straight. I see a fine girl and I want to have sex with her. It's the same thing for gay guys, they see a man and are attracted sexually.
No one would choose to be gay, excluding a few attention seeking girls.
No one would choose to be gay, excluding a few attention seeking girls.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 9:10 pm to Geaux9
I've just breezed through this thread and have only read a little bit, but in my experience - basically gay men that my wife knows(including several of her close friends and a family member of hers), you can absolutely, unequivocally never ever convince me that being gay is a choice.
Her family member was married to a woman for a few years because he basically tried to force himself to believe he wasn't gay. They got divorced and he's been in a happy relationship with another man for the past about 14 years. He says he always knew he was gay, but he tried and tried to convince himself that he wasn't, but it
One of her friends in college that came out after college said he would get blind drunk every weekend because he didn't want to face the fact that he was a gay man at a small, southern college. He finally was able to come out and be comfortable with himself after that period of his life.
That's just two examples, but there are countless others out there. Are there some men that do it because they desire the attention or for some other reason other than actually being gay? Sure. But that is a very, very small minority, imo. All the ones I personally know would have never made a conscious decision to one day say....I'm going to be gay. The only decision they had to make was when to come out to their family and friends and absolutely dread what the consequences might have been.
Her family member was married to a woman for a few years because he basically tried to force himself to believe he wasn't gay. They got divorced and he's been in a happy relationship with another man for the past about 14 years. He says he always knew he was gay, but he tried and tried to convince himself that he wasn't, but it
One of her friends in college that came out after college said he would get blind drunk every weekend because he didn't want to face the fact that he was a gay man at a small, southern college. He finally was able to come out and be comfortable with himself after that period of his life.
That's just two examples, but there are countless others out there. Are there some men that do it because they desire the attention or for some other reason other than actually being gay? Sure. But that is a very, very small minority, imo. All the ones I personally know would have never made a conscious decision to one day say....I'm going to be gay. The only decision they had to make was when to come out to their family and friends and absolutely dread what the consequences might have been.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 9:14 pm to sorantable
No evidence. If there were, it would one of the biggest scientific discoveries of the last 200 years. They have been working this study for 45 years.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:07 pm to TeLeFaWx
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TeLeFaWx
You're a piece of work.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:13 pm to Reservoir dawg
I think that what the youth pastor was trying to say is that while the Bible does make the claim that homosexuality is a sin, it doesn't mean that we (Christians or God) love them or think of them any differently than ourselves or our straight friends because we all sin and have fallen short of the glory of God. Period. I may be an adulterer, a liar, a murderer, a thief, etc. The fact of the matter is is that this is an imperfect world and we are all sinners one way or another. As a Christian, I have learned from many older wiser Christians to not judge or condemn someone just because they sin differently than I do. I struggle with my own imperfections just like everyone else. God still loves me and EVERYONE (homosexuals included) else. That is the message of the Bible. I understand that there are many hateful, despicable, Christians in this world (predominately in the South) that are hateful and do/say horrid things towards the homosexual community. Don't let those people taint the reality of what the Bible really says. Just trying to clear up what I think the other guy was trying to get at by sharing some of my personal beliefs as a Christian. For the record, I have a gay relative that serves in his church along with multiple gay friends that I talk to on a regular basis. Go dawgs.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:15 pm to Red&Black
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I have to believe that they must be born that way. What in the hell could ever possibly happen to turn a straight person gay?
Ever heard of pedophiles who like little boys?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:15 pm to TeLeFaWx
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No. You don't. It would be convenient for your narrative, a narrative that supports something you believe to be true, so you justify selling your narrative. It's text book narcissism. That you expect others to take you at your word, knowing full well that it's a lie, but you argue it's truth because above all else, your premise is yours, and it should be accepted simply because you have said it. Pray away the gay doesn't work and it never has. You don't know three people that have done it. You're lying.
You have to believe this because you're ideologically pot-committed to the gay-from-birth articles of faith. But I'm not making anything up.
I remember when Jen decided to "leave" being a lesbian. She said that she was amazed that her straight friends were mad at her and argued with her while her gay friends wished her good luck. Why you need to be so committed to the ideology that you accuse me completely baselessly of just fabricating something is another interesting presentation of the tenets of faith.
I did enjoy the projectional diagnosis of narcissism.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:20 pm to Duke
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No, I have had a hard time believing prayer can change one's sexual preference. I do believe one can deny their own desires based on a religious beliefs system.
I'd guess we would disagree about God's interaction with this world.
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