re: Is there scientific evidence that some people are born gay?

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I personally know 3

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You know 3 guys who are still gay.

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NO there is no scientific evidence

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False. Although not conclusive enough to confirm the OP directly, evidence has been published that suggest epigenetic influence on sexuality. In short, we cannot control epigenetic influence, thus, we cannot control sexuality in that regard.

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Maybe they were just bisexuals that were shamed/harassed into just sticking with females.

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Possibly. A lot of people think sexuality is black and white, when actually it's a spectrum.

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You know 3 guys who are still gay.

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Unfalsifiable hypotheses are the best.

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So sexual attraction responds to cultural pressure? Interesting.

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I don't think you're that dense. You're just anti-gay. My sympathies for your unrequited rationale regarding homosexuality.

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So how did your 3 gay friends conquer their lust for the demon peen?

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Well, one of them was a lesbian, so I guess she gained a "lust for the peen" as you so inartfully articulated. And as I thought about, I know more than 3. I know six. I also do know, for fair balance, a couple guys who thought they were "delivered" and have recently decided they are, in fact, homosexual.

All of their stories are very individual and range from more of a instant "conversion" to a process.

I understand the opinion that none of them were actually changed or the opinion that they might not have been gay in the first place. But that's a convenient and unfalsifiable argument. In that argument, no matter what the evidence is, the invisible cat is in the chair.

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Loving the sinner hating the sin is the more PC way for Christians to say they still hate gay people.

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Pretty much.

I don't like ButtSects, so I won't be having any ButtSects, does that mean I hate gay people?




I mean, do we have to participate in the anal sex or can we just watch and cheer in a fireman's hat?

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You're a prisoner of your emotions. You sincerely want homosexuality to be a conscious choice so you can, in your mind, legitimately dislike them.

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I don't legitimately dislike them. That's another ship mired in the Sargasso Sea of your logically-impaired arguments. My good friend who has now decided he is gay is still my good friend. He knows I don't agree with him and I still love him and his wife and kids. We text and talk regularly. He's no less a person than I am. He is just struggling with different things than I am. There's theological underpinnings to that whole discussion which I suspect are beyond both your ken and your care.

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Have your other prejudices been taken away because of biological evidence?

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I lol'd.

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Your powers of reasoning are constipated but that doesn't mean you're dense. Just scary.

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And as long as you're pumping out the pablum which passes for "conventional wisdom," I won't find you a bit scary.

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My good friend who has now decided he is gay is still my good friend. He knows I don't agree with him and I still love him and his wife and kids. We text and talk regularly. He's no less a person than I am. He is just struggling with different things than I am.

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I suspect you're living your life based on what you've been taught rather than what you've learned. Dogma can supplant knowledge for the entirety of a person's life if he lets it.

The person you call your good friend is a bisexual. In people who have black and white views of the world, as you've demonstrated, there's only homosexuality and heterosexuality.

A bisexual person is the only human who really has a choice regarding sexuality. Frequently, however, a bisexual will orient more strongly to same-sex feelings as he ages. This is most likely happening to your acquaintance.

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There's theological underpinnings to that whole discussion which I suspect are beyond both your ken and your care.

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Discussions with hardened theists are tiresome because of their lack of empathy. To see the world as it is requires us to "step into the shoes" of those who we regard as "different."

I grew up in a very religious household but my parents taught me that I have free will and the obligation, really, to understand other people's points of view.

Because we're different doesn't mean they're wrong. There's a very good chance that my own viewpoint could be misplaced or inaccurate. They taught me to "learn to learn."