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re: Interesting hoax message going around about cancer

Posted on 5/28/14 at 1:58 pm to
Posted by UMTigerRebel
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 1:58 pm to
And I'm guessing those are whole grain Cheez-Its in her bag, so it's all healthy eating.
Posted by Wanderin Reb
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 1:59 pm to
Now you're gettin it!
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:00 pm to
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What is discovered has to be profitable for the engine that feeds the search.


The largest payor on the health side is Medicare/Medicaid. The largest payor on the research side is FedGov. I'm pretty sure they'd be motivated to find a cure, even if it was two teaspoons of grapefruit juice and a brisk jog up Mauna Loa.
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:18 pm to
Nothing is light about that.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:24 pm to
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The largest payor on the research side is FedGov. I'm pretty sure they'd be motivated to find a cure, even if it was two teaspoons of grapefruit juice and a brisk jog up Mauna Loa.


I guess you're not taking into consideration the undeniable marriage between big corporations and government.

From this article.

If Cannabis were to become legalized, it would eat away at TRILLIONS of pharmaceutical profits over the years. (Not including other profits like the billions they get for keeping our privately owned prisons full).

What most people don’t realize is, the Government(s) have been helping the major pharmaceutical companies stonewall natural cures for decades. (Cannabis is merely one of many they have tried to bury and discredit).

In fact, the US Government has known since 1974 that Cannabis cures Cancer. It turns out, THC when ingested in highly concentrated forms (such as eating Cannabis oil) will attack any mutated cells in your body while strengthening and rejuvenating the healthy cells. They found the PERFECT cure for Cancer. It worked fast, it worked well, it worked on many different forms of Cancer in ALL stages and it had ZERO harmful side effects. (Unlike Chemo which deteriorates your entire body and kills 1 in 5 patients. Not only that, but other research shows it dissolves ALL forms of tumors and can even combat super-bugs like MRSA.)

Nixon threw the entire report in the trash and deemed the study classified.

In 1976 President Gerald Ford put an end to all public cannabis research and granted exclusive research rights to major pharmaceutical companies, who set out — unsuccessfully — to develop synthetic forms of THC that would deliver all the medical benefits without the “high.”

We only found out about the study a few years ago thanks to dedicated medical and law professionals who filed Freedom of Information Requests. The Government lied for many reasons.. One of the main reasons is Pharmaceutical Companies. They spend billions every year lobbying to keep Cannabis illegal because they make TRILLIONS off Cancer drugs and research. If the public found out that the Government has been lying for over 40 years, that MILLIONS of lives could have been saved and that the dying could grow the cure they so desperately need in their own backyard… The American public would be going nuts over it.

Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:26 pm to
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If Cannabis were to become legalized, it would eat away at TRILLIONS of pharmaceutical profits over the years. (Not including other profits like the billions they get for keeping our privately owned prisons full).


First of all, no, it wouldn't. Cannabis isn't nearly as effective as all the NORML idiots propose for everything they propose it for.

Secondly, if the demand skyrocketed on pot, then the price would go up and them you'd have ADM buying up pot growers and creating a conglomerate.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:27 pm to
And you said you werent a tin foil hat wearing looney toon
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:29 pm to
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If Cannabis were to become legalized, it would eat away at TRILLIONS of pharmaceutical profits over the years. (Not including other profits like the billions they get for keeping our privately owned prisons full).




Nah.


Stoners resist the least when arrested. Need something for when I'm feeling lazy.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:30 pm to
What is not factual about what I shared in that post?


Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:31 pm to
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In fact, the US Government has known since 1974 that Cannabis cures Cancer. It turns out, THC when ingested in highly concentrated forms (such as eating Cannabis oil) will attack any mutated cells in your body while strengthening and rejuvenating the healthy cells. They found the PERFECT cure for Cancer. It worked fast, it worked well, it worked on many different forms of Cancer in ALL stages and it had ZERO harmful side effects. (Unlike Chemo which deteriorates your entire body and kills 1 in 5 patients. Not only that, but other research shows it dissolves ALL forms of tumors and can even combat super-bugs like MRSA.)


That's probably the boldest medical claim in...well, in the history of medicine. If true, it would represent the single greatest discovery ever in medicine and possibly all of modern science.

So it seems perfectly reasonable that you and a few select others have attained this knowledge
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:32 pm to
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Secondly, if the demand skyrocketed on pot, then the price would go up and them you'd have ADM buying up pot growers and creating a conglomerate.



No. Not at all.

It's a plant that anyone can grow anywhere on the planet, it matures in 3 months, legalization would not raise the price.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:33 pm to
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What is not factual about what I shared in that post?


Everything but the fact that chemo kills one in five patients (its actually closer to one in 8 or so, but I'll give it to you).
This post was edited on 5/28/14 at 2:34 pm
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:33 pm to
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So it seems perfectly reasonable that you and a few select others have attained this knowledge


Huh?

I'm just sharing what the government discovered and chose to classify.
This post was edited on 5/28/14 at 2:34 pm
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:36 pm to
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Everything but the fact that chemo kills one in five patients


Really?

So it's not factual that pharmaceutical companies spend exorbitant amounts of money lobbying the government? That's not factual?

It's not factual that Nixon classified that study?

It's not factual that Ford gave exclusive research rights to big pharma?
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:37 pm to
Someone didnt actually look over the scientific articles in their link.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:39 pm to
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In fact, the US Government has known since 1974 that Cannabis cures Cancer. It turns out, THC when ingested in highly concentrated forms (such as eating Cannabis oil) will attack any mutated cells in your body while strengthening and rejuvenating the healthy cells. They found the PERFECT cure for Cancer. It worked fast, it worked well, it worked on many different forms of Cancer in ALL stages and it had ZERO harmful side effects. (Unlike Chemo which deteriorates your entire body and kills 1 in 5 patients. Not only that, but other research shows it dissolves ALL forms of tumors and can even combat super-bugs like MRSA.)


My only counter to this is I know people who have had cancer and used cannabis illegally to ease chemo symptoms (even ingesting higher THC concentrations as you said) but not all were "cured" after chemo.

I would think at this point that if pro-marijuana folks figured this out (they're not a bunch of dumb stoners) that they would absolutely use it to it's maximum potential in trying to get marijuana legalized.

Also, the ex had a cousin that did research at UK regarding marijuana and it's medical benefits. I know he would back you up on it's benefits for a gamut of medical issues but they never found anything that radical in regards to it's effects with cancer cells.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:41 pm to
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It's a plant that anyone can grow anywhere on the planet, it matures in 3 months, legalization would not raise the price.


Legalization isn't what we were talking about. We were talking about therapeutic uses of cannabis. A plant in your backyard isn't going to supply enough cannabis to cure you of multiple myeloma (though a farm won't produce "enough" either).
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:43 pm to
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So it's not factual that pharmaceutical companies spend exorbitant amounts of money lobbying the government? That's not factual?


Thats not what you said. You said:

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What most people don’t realize is, the Government(s) have been helping the major pharmaceutical companies stonewall natural cures for decades. (Cannabis is merely one of many they have tried to bury and discredit).


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They spend billions every year lobbying to keep Cannabis illegal because they make TRILLIONS off Cancer drugs and research.


Yes, pharm lobbies the government like everyone else. You put specific qualifiers on that lobbying, though.

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It's not factual that Nixon classified that study?


Given that you misrepresented the study, I didnt think it fair to credit you with this. Nixon classified A study, yes.

The biggest flaw of course are your wild claims about cannaibis.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:43 pm to
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I'm just sharing what the government discovered and chose to classify.


You're completely misstating the study and ignoring all sorts of other medical evidence.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 2:44 pm to
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Also, the ex had a cousin that did research at UK regarding marijuana and it's medical benefits. I know he would back you up on it's benefits for a gamut of medical issues but they never found anything that radical in regards to it's effects with cancer cells.


Well others have, and most research has been done from a smoking standpoint and not from the oil.

And marijuana is just one of many natural cures that are suppressed, and there are a lot of things to consider with all of this, your friend didn't cure himself of cancer while smoking weed.. okay, but what stage was his cancer discovered, how healthy was this person, what kind of diet did they eat before and during their treatment, was he mostly smoking or was it mostly oil treatment, what other natural remedies were they using while using cannabis.

I could keep going, point being the fact that your friend smoked weed to ease chemo symptoms has really nothing at all to do with the argument that cannabis can kill cancer cells.
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