re: Interesting hoax message going around about cancer

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Steve Jobs would still be alive

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And that's why people don't listen to doctors. Y'all sound almost as crazy as the naturopaths. It's not like he had some easily treatable disease.

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The type of cancer he had has an exceedingly low survival rate, regardless of the method of care.

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This is false. Steve Jobs did not have adenocarcinoma of the pancreas, the type of cancer you are referring to with an exceedingly low survival rate. He had an islet-cell neuroendocrine tumor, a rare but very treatable form of cancer. They are often benign and the ones that are malignant like his grow very slowly with no early metastasis. It is believed around one in a hundred people live their entire adult lives with tiny benign neuroendocrine pancreas tumors. The five year survival rate for malignant ones is almost 60%, compared to less than 3% for adenocarcinoma of the pancreas.

At the stage Jobs' was found at, the five and ten year survival rates are both over 70%.

He was diagnosed in 2003, sought alternative treatment for 9 months while getting worse and then turned to modern medicine which fought to give him another 8 years. By the time he went back to his doctors, his five year survival rate had been cut in half.

Had the man had a whipple procedure when diagnosed, he'd almost certainly be with us today.

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We drop dollars in buckets to find a cure, instead we should be focusing on changing the way we live. The food industry is criminal, the way stress ourselves to work-to-live is unnecessary, and the toxic elements we introduce to ourselves thanks to a cultural system that doesn't value the planet all play huge roles in causing cancer.

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While you are once again being overly dramatic, yes we do need to focus on diet. I know of no doctor who would say otherwise.

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And that's why people don't listen to doctors. Y'all sound almost as crazy as the naturopaths. It's not like he had some easily treatable disease.

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He had a very treatable form of cancer, yes.

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Interesting hoax message going around about cancerquote:Didn't work for Steve Jobs. That's worth repeating too. The Steve Jobs example is extremely irresponsible. His type of cancer is very hard to detect, it was caught very late, it's believed he had cancer since his early 20s, some say late teens from working with very strong toxins since age 14. The type of cancer he had has an exceedingly low survival rate, regardless of the method of care. We drop dollars in buckets to find a cure, instead we should be focusing on changing the way we live. The food industry is criminal, the way stress ourselves to work-to-live is unnecessary, and the toxic elements we introduce to ourselves thanks to a cultural system that doesn't value the planet all play huge roles in causing cancer.

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Summed it up rather well, modern medicine is fantastic for diagnosing disease and treating trauma but not so good when it comes to prevention and cure, as I stated in a earlier post, the connection between chronic disease and diet/lifestyle is no mere coincidence. Modern/traditional medicine is about treatment once the disease has been diagnosed and you can't really blame the Drs it's what they're taught. I do think the younger Drs are more open to alternative methods of treatment and finding out what is actually causing disease.

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The point is - we throw unprecedented amounts of money at 'finding a cure' for something while ignoring as a collective culture what is causing the influx in the disease.

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Who is ignoring it? Certainly not doctors and researchers. Doctors plead and beg with their patients to make healthy lifestyle changes, but we cant force people to do it. We know eating right, exercising and reducing stress reduce the incidence of disease.

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The cancer industry is something like a 200 billion dollar gig, with all kinds of secondary and tertiary finical benefits to the health care industry.

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Because when people inevitably get cancer, they want effective treatment. Cancer cells dont care how much herbal tea you drink.

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There are all kinds of things that we know, scientifically, kill cancer cells yet these things are not made mainstream and not offered to patients by doctors because it does not financially feed the industry. I'm not obligated to share, link, or prove what I just said.. anyone that cares can choose to do their own homework.

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This is, at best, a misleading statement and at worst an outright lie.

No, there are no scientifically proven compounds that outright kill cancer and that are tolerated well enough by the body to be effective treatment options that we know of that are not heavily researched and utilized. Now if you want to get into one of your wild conspiracy theories about big pharm then I cant possibly convince you otherwise.

There ARE relatively common compounds for which either anecdotal or minimal research shows promise in aiding cancer treatment. That being said, the drugs we have are by far the most effective treatment options at present

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You conveniently misstepped the comment about them finding his cancer late, as most pancreatic cancers are found in later stages.

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His cancer was stage one, still isolated to the pancreas with no metastasis or lymph involvement. This is because, again, adenocarcinoma and his cancer are inherently different. His tumor type does not grow or spread as quickly.

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I'll agree with him that they do try to deny cancer patients pot in parts of the country.

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Which is stupid, but this has nothing to do with the medical field. Doctors have long been strong advocates for medical marijuana.

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This comment displays your lack of understanding of the point.

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Always, always someone is misunderstanding or not comprehending your brilliant points. You're just so far above a dullard such as I.

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It's not about doctors encouraging people to be healthy, which is a debatable topic of its own.

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Good grief

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Herbal tea's aren't what has been proven to kill cancer cells, but nice sarcastic jab.

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I'd ask for a link, but given your pre eminent copout I guess Im SOL.

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Always, always someone is misunderstanding or not comprehending your brilliant points. You're just so far above a dullard such as I.

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What I said shouldn't be hard to understand.

As a collective culture we ignore what is causing an influx in cancer while throwing unprecedented amounts of money at finding a magic potion cure.

Somehow your response to that was doctors are telling people to be healthy (which is a very debatable topic of its own). What don't you get about the term 'collective culture'?

Do you see why your response doesn't reflect that you understood the point?