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re: How mad is Dylan Roof?
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:19 am to vengeanceofrain
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:19 am to vengeanceofrain
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It would be like having a swastika to remember your great grandfather who was in the Nazi party.
No, it wouldn't. And to compare the Civil War to Nazi Germany is absolutely absurd. Slavery was bad, but it wasn't a drop in the bucket compared to Hitler trying to wipe a race out of existence, putting SIX MILLION Jews into camps to execute in mass.
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Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:09 pm to 3nOut
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by the left. yes.
Hitler in Mein Kampf directly attacked both left-wing and right-wing politics in Germany.[72] However, a majority of scholars identify Nazism in practice as being a far-right form of politics.[73]
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how so? i hate all of the republicans in power positions.
But you identify more with Right-Wing, which is why you can't see that just because Nazis were right-wing doesn't mean anything at all.
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are you arguing that nationalism is a bad thing?
I'm saying:
Who is more Nationalistic, do you think GOP supporters or Democratic supporters?
Who is more likely to be xenophobic, the right or the left?
Who is more likely to allow more citizens access firearms, the right or the left?
If you asked soldiers today which party supports the military more, do you think it'd be the right or the left?
If you had to ask who were more concerned with the moral fibre of America, would it be left or right?
Absolutely none of those fall into the Modern Democratic Party.
The only thing I notice is that there is a very subtle racism and sexism creeping up from the left (and really it's not very subtle).
Germany didn't want equality -- they wanted superiority, equality for ONE group, not everyone, which is why they were neither Socialist or Communist.
Traditionally, the more you value community over solitary citizens, the more left you are.
Having a single class dominate everyone else was NOT the intention of Socialism or any leftist movement.
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you're ignoring anything that has to do with the fact that facists want communal living and state dependence. doesn't line up with my partisan line-dragging
You're ignoring traditional roles of left and right wing.
Libertarians actually belong on the LEFT wing.
''Fascism is considered by certain scholars to be right-wing because of its social conservatism and authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[40][41] Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the right, explaining that "the more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be."[42]''
There is general agreement that the Left includes: anarchists, anti-capitalists, anti-imperialists, autonomists, communists, democratic-socialists, feminists, greens, left-libertarians, progressives, secularists, socialists, social-democrats and social-liberals.[5][6][7]
There is also general consensus that the Right includes: capitalists, conservatives, fascists, monarchists, nationalists, neoconservatives, neoliberals, reactionaries, right-libertarians, social-authoritarians, theocrats and traditionalists.[8]
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:18 pm to CCTider
It would be cool if people talked about the incident in an investigating manner instead of spending all their time talking about the off-shoot issues of race and flags ect.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:19 pm to Alahunter
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The posting you made about the German Weapons act of 1928 and comparison's to the R's or Conservatives today is comical.
''In Nazi Germany the March 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law.''
What's comical is not reading what actually happened.
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You should read the actual entire act and realize that Jews born in Germany were not even considered Germans by the Nazi's.
November 11, 1938, the Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons was promulgated by Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick. The regulation prohibited Jews from possessing firearms, ammunition, and other weapons.
I'm certain I'm more read up about this than you are.
Laws that changed:
Only handguns were restricted, long-weapons and ammunition were not.
The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as was the possession of ammunition. -- The Left has always been known to advocate full deregulation of long weapons, right?
The groups of people who were exempt from permit expanded -- you know how leftists love unpermitted firearm carriers.
The legal age to purchase firearms and ammunition was lowered -- leftists love younger people possessing firearms 'cause it don't do no harm.
Look, I hate the Democrats, but if I had told you that came from a right-wing or GOP website, you would easily believe me.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:20 pm to skirpnasty
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SIX MILLION Jews into camps to execute in mass.
This is false.
Did you know more catholics died at Auschwitz than jews?
*Did you know these 'death' camps had entertainment areas, the UK soccer team visited Auschwitz, there was even a brothel and medical facilities to keep people alive. They were work camps. Not death camps.
The entire thing is a sham.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:20 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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It would be cool if people talked about the incident in an investigating manner instead of spending all their time talking about the off-shoot issues of race and flags ect.
I fail to see how that's relevant in a topic devoted to a racist shooter, too.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:23 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I fail to see how that's relevant in a topic devoted to a racist shooter, too.
How is it irrelevant to dissect the actual event?
The event happened, and no one spends a second investigating what happened -- they go right for the topics that off-shoot from it.
I find that odd. Any time we have a major event like this no one ever talks about the details of the event.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:26 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Startin' to realize there's a good chance you're autistic.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:32 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
That's a pretty weird thing to say.
Probably best if I just don't engage directly with you, so any future comments to me aren't gonna get a response.
Something not right about you.
Probably best if I just don't engage directly with you, so any future comments to me aren't gonna get a response.
Something not right about you.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 6:49 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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leftists love younger people possessing firearms 'cause it don't do no harm
Yet again, they denied the right to own them to certain persons and laws remained, that were used as a guideline for the Gun Control Act of 68 here. By Dems.
Your rendition jives nicely with Salon's assessment and rewriting of the view, by attempting to align it to today's "right wing" and conservatives.
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Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation.
Replace Jews, with citizens according to many on the left today.
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Jews (§ 5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt 1, p. 1332) are prohibited from acquiring. Possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.
Hmm.. which party forced the 10 round magazine ban and required citizens to turn them in to police just the last few yrs in Connecticut?
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Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.
Again, who is pushing for this "common sense" legislation and created the background check system and the 4473 forms that everyone must fill out and have kept on file for 20 yrs?
Nazism also abhorred capitalism, not much to do with the right of today either.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 7:18 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Auschwitz, there was even a brothel and medical facilities to keep people alive. They were work camps. Not death camps.
Oh.
Ok.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 7:30 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Why is it that "Holocaust denial" is a crime in many otherwise "free-speech" countries? I mean, you can say the earth is flat and the sky is green. I could say crazy things - slavery never happened, and you could show me all the clear evidence that it did. That's the way it works.
The truth doesn't need protecting. So why is this the one and only historical inquiry that is ILLEGAL? And yes, they throw legitimate, credentialed historians in prison for questioning the Holocaust. It is the only historical event as such.
The truth doesn't need protecting. So why is this the one and only historical inquiry that is ILLEGAL? And yes, they throw legitimate, credentialed historians in prison for questioning the Holocaust. It is the only historical event as such.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:08 pm to Alahunter
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Yet again, they denied the right to own them to certain persons and laws remained, that were used as a guideline for the Gun Control Act of 68 here. By Dems.
The laws allowed it for many more people to own, possess and purchase firearms.
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Replace Jews, with citizens according to many on the left today.
That's retarded. Or, what you could do, is look at it like this: Aside from a small minority, they wanted plenty of people to own firearms and made it easier to do so.
Which side wants more access to firearms?
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Your rendition jives nicely with Salon's assessment and rewriting of the view, by attempting to align it to today's "right wing" and conservatives.
The laws are written in history for everyone to read, and it's patently obvious that they wanted German citizens to own firearms.
You could replace Jew with Illegal Immigrant, if you wanted to make it analogous.
Also, I was in the military and sold firearms for a living for a while, I'm not anti-gun control, I'm just saying that history shows us that they were more likely to give more freedom to purchase than less to citizens.
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Again, who is pushing for this "common sense" legislation and created the background check system and the 4473 forms that everyone must fill out and have kept on file for 20 yrs?
Are you for no background checks to purchase firearms? I don't think there's a person in the world who thinks that people should deal and trade firearms without any kind of paper trail.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:09 pm to genro
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Why is it that "Holocaust denial" is a crime in many otherwise "free-speech" countries? I mean, you can say the earth is flat and the sky is green. I could say crazy things - slavery never happened, and you could show me all the clear evidence that it did. That's the way it works.
The truth doesn't need protecting. So why is this the one and only historical inquiry that is ILLEGAL? And yes, they throw legitimate, credentialed historians in prison for questioning the Holocaust. It is the only historical event as such.
:inb4jeezus:
In all seriousness this is a legitimate question that needs to be dealt with -- but the chances of people accusing you of anti-semitism is probably gonna be pretty high no matter how you cut it.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:31 pm to Alahunter
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Nazism also abhorred capitalism
I notice he keeps focusing on guns and morality while continuously ignoring those little quips.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:38 pm to 3nOut
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Nazism also abhorred capitalism
I notice he keeps focusing on guns and morality while continuously ignoring those little quips.
So you guys have no idea what they did to Communists, then?
Opposed to both capitalism and communism, it aimed to overcome social divisions, with all parts of a homogeneous society seeking national unity and traditionalism, and what it viewed as historically German territory as well as additional lands for expansion.
'The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism. The Nazis sought to achieve this by a "people's community" (Volksgemeinschaft) with the aim of uniting all Germans as national comrades, whilst excluding those deemed either to be community aliens or of a foreign race (Fremdvölkische). It rejected the Marxist concept of class struggle, opposed ideas of class equality and international solidarity, and sought to defend private property and businesses.' -- They weren't even Socialists.
The Left and Right both have ideas that are correct and incorrect, but the fact remains: Most scholars agree and have expressed their opinions pretty clearly.
This isn't some shady claim of ''facts'' two thousand years ago, this is the best of the best coming out and measuring governments old and young.
On the traditional and even adjusted barometer, it's Right-Wing.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:42 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I didn't realize that Holocaust denial was a crime.
I know it's stupid, but stupidity isn't a crime, as evidenced by the % of the population of Tuscaloosa that isn't incarcerated.
I know it's stupid, but stupidity isn't a crime, as evidenced by the % of the population of Tuscaloosa that isn't incarcerated.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:43 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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The laws allowed it for many more people to own, possess and purchase firearms
So long as you weren't a certain religion. Which party is attacking religion today?
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Aside from a small minority, they wanted plenty of people to own firearms and made it easier to do so. Which side wants more access to firearms?
So you sayin the right wing here want's to keep blacks from owning guns today? Only one party wants to keep guns outta hands today.
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The laws are written in history for everyone to read, and it's patently obvious that they wanted German citizens to own firearms.
Unless, they were Jews, no matter they were born IN GERMANY.
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Also, I was in the military and sold firearms for a living for a while, I'm not anti-gun control, I'm just saying that history shows us that they were more likely to give more freedom to purchase than less to citizens.
I wasn't in the military. I did however set up an FFL for someone I used to work with, handled the application, dealt with the ATF and sold the firearms, as well as handled the audit by the ATF when it came due. I still have a C&R license for myself today. I know what laws exist and have passed as a result of Democratic control and influence and which party seeks to restrict, just as the Nazi's did against certain individuals.
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Are you for no background checks to purchase firearms? I don't think there's a person in the world who thinks that people should deal and trade firearms without any kind of paper trail.
So, you think there should be paperwork for private citizen to private citizen sales? Father to son sales and gifts? If a person is not in jail, you suggest that a Constitutional Right should have a Government check up on them? Perhaps folks should have to register to give a public speech as well.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:57 pm to Alahunter
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So long as you weren't a certain religion.
Yes, or not a citizen (like the Jews, and hey, maybe like illegal Mexicans!!11!)
This whole string is completely irrelevant -- it was easier (as long as you weren't a Jew) to access a firearm.
Period.
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So you sayin the right wing here want's to keep blacks from owning guns today? Only one party wants to keep guns outta hands today.
I'm sure they'd vote 4 to 1 to keep firearms out of illegal immigrants' hands.
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Unless, they were Jews, no matter they were born IN GERMANY.
Jews were not considered citizens.
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I wasn't in the military. I did however set up an FF...
That was just a response against your allegation that I'm akin to Salon, which in my opinion is pretty unfair since I hate the frick out of Salon.
I have a background in firearms, I love firearms, that I think on the issue of firearms Republicans are closer than Democrats isn't me calling for a rewriting of history.
Just that they're more alike, and it doesn't mean anything that they are.
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So, you think there should be paperwork for private citizen to private citizen sales?
Yes. Serial numbers, too. It's easier to track when they get stolen.
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Father to son sales and gifts?
If they have a serial number, sure.
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If a person is not in jail, you suggest that a Constitutional Right should have a Government check up on them?
Where did I say that? Just in the case of accidents, missing or stolen weapons or investigations -- I don't see any problem with tracking firearms.
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Perhaps folks should have to register to give a public speech as well.
False equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.[1]
Posted on 7/1/15 at 10:54 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Yes, or not a citizen (like the Jews, and hey, maybe like illegal Mexicans
Jews were born in Germany... Mexicans.. umm.. Mexico and entered, ILLEGALLY. You're really comparing the two? It was easier to get a firearm, unless you were designated a noncitizen, although born in that country? Really, that's your argument?
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I'm sure they'd vote 4 to 1 to keep firearms out of illegal immigrants' hands
Again... your argument is that Nazism is to right wing, because one held guns from it's citizens, while right wingers would rather have them out of the hands of illegal persons?
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Jews were not considered citizens
They were, til they weren't. When have illegal immigrants ever been considered citizens in the U.S.?
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That was just a response against your allegation that I'm akin to Salon, which in my opinion is pretty unfair since I hate the frick out of Salon
You should read it, yall have very similar talking points on the German Weapons Act and gun control. Very similar.
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Yes. Serial numbers, too. It's easier to track when they get stolen
So would keeping a bill of sale to file in a police report, and it wouldn't be an overstep of Gov't intervention on a Right. Requiring Gov't intervention for family transfer is ridiculous and socialist and left wing as well.
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quote:If a person is not in jail, you suggest that a Constitutional Right should have a Government check up on them? Where did I say that?
Look up.
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False equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.[1]
Like comparing illegal immigrants born in another country not purchasing firearms, compared to persons born in the same country not purchasing firearms because of their religion and saying they're both right wing.
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