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How mad is Dylan Roof?
Posted on 6/30/15 at 9:36 am
Posted on 6/30/15 at 9:36 am
Poor little racist. He didn't start the anarchy he thought would occur. Instead, all of his previous symbology is being removed from pubic places. I'm not sure a more opposite reaction could've happened.
So, did he know what's going on on the outside? Are black guards laughing and filling him in on the details? Bringing him the newspapers?
So, did he know what's going on on the outside? Are black guards laughing and filling him in on the details? Bringing him the newspapers?
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 9:37 am to CCTider
Posted on 6/30/15 at 9:40 am to CCTider
Ummmm, be basically accomplished exactly what he wanted. People are petitioning to ban the American flag. People who aren't racist are feeling pressed by the absurd actions being taken by activists.
I'm not sure how you view this turmoil as a good thing. By doing shite like tearing down memorials, you're helping the little a-hole get what he set out to accomplish.
I'm not sure how you view this turmoil as a good thing. By doing shite like tearing down memorials, you're helping the little a-hole get what he set out to accomplish.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 9:42 am
Posted on 6/30/15 at 9:52 am to CCTider
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Oh yeah, and is he a product of "leftism?"
would you argue that he's a product of rightism instead?
Posted on 6/30/15 at 10:32 am to 3nOut
I don't think he wanted confederate flags and memorials removed from state property. And I've never seen anywhere that's trying to ban the American flag. Was that a typo?
And I would consider him a far right wing fascist. He definitely wasn't a fan of diversity and inclusiveness. He wants a single race in this country and wanted to trigger a race war, which sounds pretty Nazi like to me. Though I don't really like the terms leftist or rightist.
You have Russia (which is basically is a communist dictatorship, being supposedly far left wing, but they are incredibly prejudice over there. So to define prejudice as left or right on a global scale is kinda bs. But Roof definitely doesn't fit the bill of the Rant's definition of a left wing, SJW.
And I would consider him a far right wing fascist. He definitely wasn't a fan of diversity and inclusiveness. He wants a single race in this country and wanted to trigger a race war, which sounds pretty Nazi like to me. Though I don't really like the terms leftist or rightist.
You have Russia (which is basically is a communist dictatorship, being supposedly far left wing, but they are incredibly prejudice over there. So to define prejudice as left or right on a global scale is kinda bs. But Roof definitely doesn't fit the bill of the Rant's definition of a left wing, SJW.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 10:34 am
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:07 am to CCTider
I don't think he gave two shits about the confederate flag any more than he loved the Rhodesian and South African flags.
They just represented--even in part--the ideals that he believed.
Flying them or not from whatever doesn't mean he or anyone else wouldn't feel hatred towards black people.
What angered him more (or probably confused him more) would be the outpouring of forgiveness from the black community along with the bonding of races in Charleston. The community has really come together and looks to move forward. THAT's what should piss him off, not some stupid flag.
They just represented--even in part--the ideals that he believed.
Flying them or not from whatever doesn't mean he or anyone else wouldn't feel hatred towards black people.
What angered him more (or probably confused him more) would be the outpouring of forgiveness from the black community along with the bonding of races in Charleston. The community has really come together and looks to move forward. THAT's what should piss him off, not some stupid flag.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 11:08 am
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:09 am to skirpnasty
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People are petitioning to ban the American flag.
From what I've seen, that's an extreme minority of people.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:09 am to CCTider
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I don't think he wanted confederate flags and memorials removed from state property.
He most certainly did not want that. The joke is definitely on him.
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I've never seen anywhere that's trying to ban the American flag.
Apparently some fricking fools at the university of texas created such a petition. Just another reason to hate those assclowns, tbh.
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He wants a single race in this country and wanted to trigger a race war
That's really the bottom line. Pretty much the exact opposite has been happening (especially in Charleston, ironically enough)
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:12 am to CCTider
He's a little too occupied by BBC to answer that right now. He'll have to get back to you.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:22 am to CCTider
How do you know him so well?
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:28 am to CCTider
He's a "self-radicalized" terrorist. In other words, he's bat-shite crazy just like the other mutants who take guns into places where they know there's not likely to be any opposition to their attacks.
Schools, meetings, places of work or businesses, movie theaters and now churches. These cowards never attack police stations, Hell's Angels bars, inner city bars or any place where somebody might logically be packing.
The POS in Charleston even spent an hour casing the Emanuel AME Church before he opened fire on those helpless congregants. He could dish out bullets but he didn't want to face one. Now he'll face a needle instead.
Except for killing nine people, none of his goals were met. He did more to unite Charleston than any community leaders ever could have done. I don't think that will spare him from the death penalty, however.
Schools, meetings, places of work or businesses, movie theaters and now churches. These cowards never attack police stations, Hell's Angels bars, inner city bars or any place where somebody might logically be packing.
The POS in Charleston even spent an hour casing the Emanuel AME Church before he opened fire on those helpless congregants. He could dish out bullets but he didn't want to face one. Now he'll face a needle instead.
Except for killing nine people, none of his goals were met. He did more to unite Charleston than any community leaders ever could have done. I don't think that will spare him from the death penalty, however.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:46 pm to CCTider
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And I would consider him a far right wing fascist. He definitely wasn't a fan of diversity and inclusiveness. He wants a single race in this country and wanted to trigger a race war, which sounds pretty Nazi like to me. Though I don't really like the terms leftist or rightist.
interesting.
i'd like to see where any of those descriptors match anything right wing. heck. i hate republicans and i'd like to see where any of those match a talking point of the republican party, much left a conservative/right wing stance. now, sure, each side has their idiots, but i'd like to see where any of that is an official position of tea parties, libertarians, or the RNC
i don't think that you know what Nazis stood for, but it's not too close to anything that conservatives stand for today. you might make a case for immigration, but i don't think it stands up very well under scrutiny.
it does sound a lot like what the democrats want conservatives to be presented as though.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 1:13 pm to CCTider
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I don't think he wanted confederate flags and memorials removed from state property.
He's probably okay with it considering those things are now in the national spotlight in ways they never would have been before, and it has tons of southern white people pissed off and protesting about their "heritage."
Just because it's been 2 weeks and riots haven't broken out yet doesn't mean you should go ahead and start laughing. He wanted to start some sort of revolution and historically those things don't just pop off overnight.
He's pushed race to the top of the media's talking points and it hasn't let up yet.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 1:15 pm to CCTider
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I don't think he wanted confederate flags and memorials removed from state property. And I've never seen anywhere that's trying to ban the American flag. Was that a typo?
There are numerous pictures of him burning the American flag. You can take that any way you'd like.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 1:28 pm to brodeo
He kills me in that Gold's Gym shirt. 
Posted on 6/30/15 at 1:52 pm to CCTider
Mike Rowe summed things up well, imo. Something the vast majority.. STILL seem unable to comprehend.
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The Confederate Battle Flag makes me feel angry. It reminds me of The KKK. I hate The KKK. Consequently, the sight of that flag makes me want to travel back in time, long before the Klan came together, find the original Grand Wizard, and beat him to death with a golf club.
Swastikas also make me angry. They remind me of Nazis. I really hate Nazis. Consequently, whenever I see a swastika, I want to travel back in time, find Hitler long before he came to power, and beat him to death with a golf club too.
I know it’s irrational to allow talismans of evil to fill me with fantasies of time-traveling violence, but I’m a human being. I have no control over my feelings, or what triggers them. Fortunately though, I also have a brain. It’s a modest brain, but it functions in a way that allows me to acknowledge my feelings without being guided by them. Thanks to my brain, I came to realize that my feelings - while endlessly important to me - are surprisingly unpersuasive to everyone else. Consequently, while I’d love to tell you more about how I feel, I’m going to try instead to tell you what I think.
I think we need to be very careful about congratulating ourselves too enthusiastically for removing a piece of cloth from the public square - even if it’s removal is long overdue. I also think we need to stop calling people racist, just because they see the flag as something other than a symbol of hate. This is what happens when we put a premium on our feelings. We assume everyone who disagrees with us is not merely wrong, but dangerous.
I know many good Southerners who abhor racism, but view this flag as an important connection to their ancestors - the vast majority of whom never owned slaves. This doesn’t mean the flag should be allowed to fly on public property - not for a minute. But it’s a mistake in my view, to equate the removal of a symbol, with the removal of the evil it’s come to symbolize. And that’s exactly what a lot of people are doing. We’re conflating cause and effect.
For instance, we look at that picture of Dylan Roof, and we see a bigot who appears to have fallen off the cover of American Racist Quarterly. He’s got the whole package - vapid stare, dopey haircut, fancy apartheid patches, and of course, the Confederate Battle Flag. We’re repulsed, and yet, we also feel relief, because now we understand exactly what he is - he’s a racist, plain and simple. Now, all we have to do is eliminate the hatred that drove him to murder.
Sadly, we have no idea how to do that. Nor can we go back in time to introduce his head to a golf club, and save us all the agony of his cowardly act. So what do we do? We target his accessories. We focus on the accoutrements of bigotry, and assign them magical powers.
By all means - lets take the flag down. It’s long past time. But let’s not fool ourselves. Racism and terrorism and all the other hate-filled "-isms" that plague the species will never be eliminated by banning flags, burning books, limiting speech, or outlawing white sheets and pointy little hats. When Dylan Roof walked into The First Emanuel Church and killed nine black Americans, he wasn’t waving his rebel flag or screaming the N-word. He didn’t look like a racist. He didn’t act like a racist. Until he started killing people.
That's the problem with people in white sheets and pointy hats. They don’t always dress the part, or carry the proper flag.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 6/30/15 at 2:01 pm to 3nOut
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but it's not too close to anything that conservatives stand for to
Hyper militant.
Religious.
Fighting for ''family values''.
Fighting to keep the country ''pure''.
Anti-immigrant.
Anti-gay.
Pro-firearm for the citizens.
Their platform vs. what they did?
They're extremely right-wing, and most scholars put them like that. Although, simply because there's a bad regime in your wing makes little difference.
I would consider myself a political centrist, somewhat right leaning but I share almost nothing with the current Republican party.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 2:03 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Nazi's were Religious? Pro-firearms for citizens?
wow.
wow.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 2:07 pm to Alahunter
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Nazi's were Religious?
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Pro-firearms for citizens?
Nazi Germany the March 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. But under the new law:[5]:673-674
Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition.. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as was the possession of ammunition
The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.
The legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18.[6]
Permits were valid for three years, rather than one year.[6]
Manufacture of arms and ammunition continued to require a permit, with the revision that such permits would no longer be issued to Jews or any company part-owned by Jews. Jews were consequently forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.
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Wow indeed. It's amazing how the Republicans tried to sweep it under the rug when it's so obvious.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 6/30/15 at 2:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Yeah the Nazis did not ban guns. People have been lied to about that
It's okay though, they didn't exterminate 6 million Jews either
It's okay though, they didn't exterminate 6 million Jews either
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