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re: Generational Racism
Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:56 pm to 3nOut
Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:56 pm to 3nOut
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Her father (my grandfather in law) has and does regularly. I've never heard him use it in a disparaging way (if that's possible.) more like "well back in 1963, me and my n****r neighbor went fishing and caught so many crappie we broke the basket" he'd talk about people in his congregation and friends using it.
"I can say that word because I had a black friend 50 years ago."
Your G-I-L is a piece of shite.
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:58 pm to The Spleen
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I'm teaching my kids to hate white people.
Aren't you white?
I would teach a child to dislike trashy people, but not hate others based on skin color, nationality, etc.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:18 pm to The Spleen
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I'm teaching my kids to hate white people.
White guilt bitch.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:19 pm to Stonehog
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"I can say that word because I had a black friend 50 years ago."
Your G-I-L is a piece of shite.
coming from anybody else about anybody else, that might hurt.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 6:26 pm to CatFan81
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Middle class white and black people have more in common than middle class whites have with white trash or middle class blacks have with black trash.
It's more about socioeconomic status than it is about race... unless you really are racist.
CatFan hit it right on the head
And as for HJJ's assertion that folks who don't think they've had a racist thought are full of shite, I completely disagree. Maybe not for where you come from, but I honestly never had time for such growing up and have plenty of friends who were/are the same way. The only time I entertain racial stereotypes is in a jocular sense. That doesn't make me or those friends better than those who do have racist thoughts/deeds--it's just the way folks were raised. But again, I disagree that there aren't people who legit don't know racism as a fact of life even subconsciously. JMHO.
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A lot of older black people aren't exactly comfortable about interracial relationships either. Sometimes moreso than whites. TBird can probably elaborate more than I can, but I've seen it happen in my own family.
Agree with this. Got a lot more racist blowback (to my face, anyways) from my black extended family than from my prospective in-laws-to-be when Aggiebelle and I started dating.
ETA: And someone give scrooster a Snickers, pls
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 2/10/15 at 8:28 pm to 3nOut
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Thoughts?
Who gives a flying frick.
Why are you even worried about it?
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:11 am to SavageOrangeJug
Most southern people I know are nice in person. What they say in the privacy of their own is their business.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:19 am to 3nOut
Young white people see race a lot less than previous generations did. I don't find much has changed among African Americans in that regard.
I have heard this line muttered a few times and it kinda makes sense even though I don't agree with it. The idea is that if two people from unique cultures marry, the odds of both cultures being passed on to their children is damn near zero. Generally, either one cultural tradition makes it, or neither of them do, and the children of two rich cultural traditions are bland McMansion Americana.
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well the cultures are just different and wouldn't mix well
I have heard this line muttered a few times and it kinda makes sense even though I don't agree with it. The idea is that if two people from unique cultures marry, the odds of both cultures being passed on to their children is damn near zero. Generally, either one cultural tradition makes it, or neither of them do, and the children of two rich cultural traditions are bland McMansion Americana.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:24 am to kingbob
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Generally, either one cultural tradition makes it, or neither of them do, and the children of two rich cultural traditions are bland McMansion Americana.
Not necessarily (I wrote a research paper on interracial relationships last year, so bear with my snobbishness
). Yes, many times there's a "dominant" culture that is shared by the household (i.e., a black male whose mannerisms favor white suburbia or a white male who hails from a more urban upbringing), but in a lot of cases there's more of an amalgamation of the two. And the IR couples who foster that type of environment tend to thrive.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:29 am to TbirdSpur2010
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And the IR couples who foster that type of environment tend to thrive.
word. if my sons married black or hispanic girl, i would in no way want them to stymie any of that culture from their spouses being passed down(except for the voodoo chicken killing I've heard blacks do)
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:34 am to 3nOut
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except for the voodoo chicken killing I've heard blacks do
Uh, yeah, pay no attention to those squawks you heard emanating from the Missouri area this morning. Nothing to see here...
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if my sons married black or hispanic girl, i would in no way want them to stymie any of that culture from their spouses being passed down
I hear ya, and that's the bottom line, IMO. I'm glad that neither Aggiebelle or I felt pressured to give up parts of our culture in order to be together. Relationships are hard enough to keep going without all the cacophony some make about that stuff, you know? And I feel it broadens the perspective of both involved parties. Win/win.
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 11:35 am
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:38 am to TbirdSpur2010
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I feel it broadens the perspective of both involved parties. Win/win.
that and you get to make cute little mixed babies.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:43 am to 3nOut
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that and you get to make cute little mixed babies.
None yet for us, though. Hopefully the military lets me go early so I can get on her--, er, I mean get right on that
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:07 pm to 3nOut
As a millennial, and a student at one of the most conservative schools in the country, yes I think it's generational. I have a white friend who says n***** and I don't get heated. If I were to say "hey man you're not black you cant say that" then who's really racist. Do you know what would happen if I brought a white girl to my family reunion? My cousins would ask me about her nipples of course. My uncles would say when did I get jungle feaver. And my great uncles and aunts would flip s*** and lose their mind. When I hear white people say the n word from my generation it's not a slur. They just say it because they think it's cool. Which is fine with me. I don't even believe in racism anymore. There's a million things in the day you could do and if you dedicate it to pissing off another race then you're just ignorant. That's the new generation of racism. Its called ignorance.
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 7/18/15 at 11:05 am to TbirdSpur2010
I just saw this topic and thought I'll touch a little base since I'm in this present generation, so I understand it first hand.
Racism I feel will never end but it is way less with this generation than you think, I don't think I've seen a white girl that wouldn't date a black guy in a long while, heck I know lots of beautiful blonde girls that only date black guys, the flip side is I haven't seen too many white guys that date black girls, white guys love light skinned girls though. People would always talk about interracial couples and trust me 85-90% of white and black teenagers think its cute, while 10% probably think they're just using each other, I know lots of black guys that love white girls but are scared because of their parents, and I also know lots of white girls that don't date black guys because of their parents, I also know white guys that tell me they wouldn't black girls and I know them well enough to be sure they aren't racist, there's few white guys that don't use the n word these days and trust me they aren't racist, they love to hang out with black people more than white people, they have simply become so well acquainted with the word they use it without thinking, there's also so many white girls that use the n word because they are also well acquainted with black people. I truly think our generation is the one that ends racism, people really do love mixed babies, and I've had so many conversations with white people who love black people so much and know lots of white girls that will marry black people,now don't get me wrong these white girls dont simply date any type of black guys, they usually date those "swaggy" 'clean' 'educated' 'athletes' type of black guys. I think 30-40 years from now racism would have gone down buy about 85% simply because this generation understands skin color doesn't really matter its whats inside that does.
If you have any question feel free to ask.
Racism I feel will never end but it is way less with this generation than you think, I don't think I've seen a white girl that wouldn't date a black guy in a long while, heck I know lots of beautiful blonde girls that only date black guys, the flip side is I haven't seen too many white guys that date black girls, white guys love light skinned girls though. People would always talk about interracial couples and trust me 85-90% of white and black teenagers think its cute, while 10% probably think they're just using each other, I know lots of black guys that love white girls but are scared because of their parents, and I also know lots of white girls that don't date black guys because of their parents, I also know white guys that tell me they wouldn't black girls and I know them well enough to be sure they aren't racist, there's few white guys that don't use the n word these days and trust me they aren't racist, they love to hang out with black people more than white people, they have simply become so well acquainted with the word they use it without thinking, there's also so many white girls that use the n word because they are also well acquainted with black people. I truly think our generation is the one that ends racism, people really do love mixed babies, and I've had so many conversations with white people who love black people so much and know lots of white girls that will marry black people,now don't get me wrong these white girls dont simply date any type of black guys, they usually date those "swaggy" 'clean' 'educated' 'athletes' type of black guys. I think 30-40 years from now racism would have gone down buy about 85% simply because this generation understands skin color doesn't really matter its whats inside that does.
If you have any question feel free to ask.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 11:36 am to agregime1
Interesting to bump this.
My wife and I were talking about this last night. She had two grandparents raised in the Deep South that passed away this year (one last night)
We were observing that her grandfather that passed away last month definitely had a lot more of a racist streak (albeit never in words of anger or hate... if that's possible) just in that he only used the N word when talking about black people, even if it was a friend, whereas my wife's GM that just passed never said a single word that could be construed as much.
The big difference was that her grandfather stayed in the 60s and she moved on with her life and was much more relatable to society and its changes at 100 than he was at 30.
Despite the problems we keep seeing popping up (especially with the police) I think as a whole we're getting there in some ways. I didn't grow up with a single black friend and in a fairly segregated community. My parents had no black friends.
Flip that to today. I had dinner with Tbird this week, and on my end, had a blast. My son's best friend is a black kid that stays over with us about once a month.
It'll never be gone because we're always going to have assholes, but there are some indicators that a lot of lines are starting to blur.
My wife and I were talking about this last night. She had two grandparents raised in the Deep South that passed away this year (one last night)
We were observing that her grandfather that passed away last month definitely had a lot more of a racist streak (albeit never in words of anger or hate... if that's possible) just in that he only used the N word when talking about black people, even if it was a friend, whereas my wife's GM that just passed never said a single word that could be construed as much.
The big difference was that her grandfather stayed in the 60s and she moved on with her life and was much more relatable to society and its changes at 100 than he was at 30.
Despite the problems we keep seeing popping up (especially with the police) I think as a whole we're getting there in some ways. I didn't grow up with a single black friend and in a fairly segregated community. My parents had no black friends.
Flip that to today. I had dinner with Tbird this week, and on my end, had a blast. My son's best friend is a black kid that stays over with us about once a month.
It'll never be gone because we're always going to have assholes, but there are some indicators that a lot of lines are starting to blur.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 11:36 am to agregime1
The only reason people focus on race, is a lack of cultural understanding and proximity. If there ate no black people living near you, it besides easier to focus on negatives. But if you're in a diverse area, petite trend totend to meet one another, and realize that race is nothing besides skin pigmentation. People are people. There are many cultural differences. But as long as keep banging, well allwe'll all be a nice shade of brown/bronze.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 11:47 am to 3nOut
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Better than being a first generation a-hole.
Stonehog isn't first generation.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 12:03 pm to CCTider
People are people so why should it be that you and I get along so awfully
Posted on 7/18/15 at 12:28 pm to 3nOut
If one of my sisters started dating a black dude, I think my dad would be super butthurt about it but would keep it to himself in order to not piss my mom off.
My grandparents would die from shame.
I wouldn't give a shite as long as he was a legitimately good dude. Holiday family dinner conversations would have to change drastically in content though.
My grandparents would die from shame.
I wouldn't give a shite as long as he was a legitimately good dude. Holiday family dinner conversations would have to change drastically in content though.
This post was edited on 7/18/15 at 12:31 pm
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